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To: ebb tide

If you re-read post 32, you will see 3 key words: Infallibility, faith, and morals.

You will also see how those three words are clearly and specifically linked to the term ex cathedra.

From the Catholic Encylopedia:

The phrase ex cathedra ... its present meaning was formally determined by the Vatican Council, Sess. IV, Const. de Ecclesiâ Christi, c. iv: “We teach and define that it is a dogma Divinely revealed that the Roman pontiff when he speaks ex cathedra, that is when in discharge of the office of pastor and doctor of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, by the Divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter, is possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer willed that his Church should be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith or morals, and that therefore such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves and not from the consent of the Church irreformable.” (See INFALLIBILITY; POPE.) http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05677a.htm


49 posted on 02/08/2013 3:41:43 PM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: SpirituTuo

I have suspected it for a while, but now I know I’m either speaking with a teenager or a very delusional adult. I know what “ex cathedra” means and you definitely never implied it in your post.

Pope Paul II spoke about faith and morals at Assisi’s I and II, in synagogues, in the churches of heretics, etc., but thanks to the protection of the Holy Ghost, he was not speaking “ex cathedra” and thus not “infallibly”.

And, “No,” we cannot ignore past holy and sainted Popes when current Popes contradict them in Faith, e.g., EENS.


52 posted on 02/08/2013 4:08:34 PM PST by ebb tide
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