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To: Chaguito
When tested from God’s point of view, it’s 100% election. Tested from man’s point of view, it’s 100% free choice.

Define "election" as used in the sentence above, please. Knowledge or active decision?

45 posted on 02/07/2013 1:32:32 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

John 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”

John 6:64 “But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.

John 6:65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”

John 15:16 “You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.”


48 posted on 02/07/2013 1:46:17 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: ShadowAce

Election = God chooses and opens hearts. But he does it from a dimension, such that it is ridiculous to try to guess or explain.


55 posted on 02/07/2013 2:05:00 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: ShadowAce

Sorry, my other response was a bit flippant. I believe with all my heart that God chose me and knew me. The Bible tells me so.

I can only look in reverse, however. From my side of the veil, I know it is true because of the choice I made.

It is ultimately irrelevant to talk about God’s election, other than as a theoretical curiosity, since we have absolutely no way to know other than by running a test from our side of the veil.


58 posted on 02/07/2013 2:13:52 PM PST by Chaguito
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