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A Church of One
Catholic Answers ^ | February 9, 2013 | Karl Keating

Posted on 02/09/2013 2:28:44 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 02/09/2013 2:28:49 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Misguided and sad, ping!


2 posted on 02/09/2013 2:30:19 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

“sides, has reduced authentic Christianity to just himself? “

Or even worse, reducing the Body of Christ to just one church/denomination...


3 posted on 02/09/2013 2:38:12 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: NYer

I think Mad Mo’ was one of those.


4 posted on 02/09/2013 2:38:22 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: NYer

The story is told of a Navy ship that came upon a solitary castaway on a deserted island—he had been there twenty years or more. The rescuers were amazed at how the castaway had single-handedly transformed the island, including building several impressive structures. “What is that over there?” asked a rescuer. “Why, that’s the church I built for myself,” said the castaway. “And what is that other building over there?” “Why, that’s my other church,” said the castaway. “I got mad at what was going on at the first church and had to leave.”


5 posted on 02/09/2013 2:40:42 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: NYer
Self-marriage
6 posted on 02/09/2013 2:46:38 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (If you want to ring the bell - you got to swing the hammer hard!)
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To: NYer
Grace and Blessings Dear Sister,

My foray into “evangelical” “denominations” has humorously proven the old adage that it takes two baptists to start a church and three to break it apart. If the reform movement was driven over a “literal” translation of the Bible, how come there are so many flavors?

Stay Tuned!

7 posted on 02/09/2013 2:57:47 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: NYer

more protestant bashing.


8 posted on 02/09/2013 3:04:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: kaehurowing

ROFL! Thank you; that made my day.


9 posted on 02/09/2013 3:19:46 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: GeronL
It's easy enough to forget about the non-gnostic hermits in Egypt and North Africa in the early days.

Some of them were certainly serious men ~ and a lot of them were simply churches with one member, and him not all that reliable.

That aspect of Christianity disappeared after the islamic conquest of North Africa.

That's most of a thousand years before Protestantism came along.

Here's where I remind everyone that all the early Protestants had been either Orthodox or Roman Catholic Christians. This stuff didn't just appear out of the mists. Neither did those early hermits.

10 posted on 02/09/2013 3:59:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: NYer
Yes, for all our Catholic friends out there who cannot bear the thought of "the church of one", here is a list of some of the 9,001 patron saints one can pray to. Please keep in mind this will shortly change with the beautification of other saints.

We should remember, there are the patron saints of animal topics, the patron saints of actors, of airline stewardress, of ammunition workers, of bell makers, of box makers, of boot blacks (not prayed too to much these days I suspect). There are the patron saints of bladder diseases, of blisters, of bowel disorders, of dandruff, of fainting. There are the patron saints of catepillars (not the tractors), dog bites, insect bites, patron saints of bees and, of course, bee keepers (one must have equal time).

It is understandable why our Catholic friends would laugh at a "church of one". They simply must love a party. After all, one can tell who prays to the saint of dandruff by whether they have telltale white flakes on their coats.

11 posted on 02/09/2013 4:36:14 PM PST by HarleyD
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To be fair, do not some Roman Catholics do the same?

They are of this rite, or that rite, or, most commonly, are Cafeteria Catholics or CINOs. They become of Father this-and-so or This Holy Order of Nuns. Many official nuns and priests and monks actively oppose official church doctrines - and they aren’t excuseable as “just members.”

I don’t think the charge of sectarianism lies at the feet of Protestants alone. The Roman Catholics are NOT all marching to the same beat.

You might say, well, then they are not true Roman Catholics. I can see that. But then I’d say, all those “Protestants” who deny basic gospel truths are not true Protestants, either. That knife cuts both ways.


12 posted on 02/09/2013 5:21:10 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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The RC polemic really is an attempt to negate the validity of any Scriptural challenge to her, as she is akin but more extreme than what it condemns, being the outworking of a premise that it alone is assuredly infallible, that according to her interpretation only her interpretation is correct in any conflict, but which is not the basis for the establishment of truth and the church, whih actually began in dissent from those who likewise presumed of themselves morr than what it written.

Meanwhile, most of what constitutes Rome have their own version of Catholicism, and whom Rome counts, treats and buries as members.


13 posted on 02/09/2013 6:58:13 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Persevero

Great point. Thanks.


14 posted on 02/09/2013 7:04:48 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: daniel1212

The article displays a gross a misunderstanding of what the body of Christ is as any I have read.

Neither the author nor the virtual sectarian he portrays, understand the Scriptural definition of the body of Christ.


15 posted on 02/09/2013 7:46:11 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: NYer

The guy is just one of thousands, he just shows up a little more.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 10:03:23 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: daniel1212; Persevero; svcw; Colofornian; bramps; Syncro; boatbums; caww
The RC polemic really is an attempt to negate the validity of any Scriptural challenge to her,

And therein lies the problem for the RC.

There were two views throughout history. The Eastern Orthodox from the beginning looked upon the scriptures (while divine and inspired), to be a living document to be carefully and methodolically changed and altered by the bishops as living circumstances changed. Thus, some of Paul's teachings were not edged in stone but were flexible as the church grew. Teaching could be modified with the approval of bishops but this isn't to be done lightly. While I don't share this view, there is some rational behind it.

This was not true for the western church. The early church fathers (Augustine, Jerome, etc) recognized the infallibility and inerrancy of the scriptures, and purposely set it apart from Church writings and doctrine. They held a high view of scripture unlike church doctrine that could become corrupted. Scripture could not be wrong. Church views could be. Thus, Church doctrine could and should be changed to conform with scripture when discovered to be wrong.

This worked for quite a while until the Roman Catholic Church started getting challenges to it's doctrine and authority. But at no time was this greater than in the Middle Ages when it tried to set up a king and kingdom on earth, and wanting to tax countries to pay tribute to it and the building of the Vatican. The rebellion of Luther and others was really just a final flash point that had been brewing for over four centuries.

The Council of Trent decided to take the Eastern Orthodox approach in saying that the Church was the authority-not the scriptures. Of course this creates problems for the RCC in that this was never historic position of the western church nor does it make sense with the writings and positions of the early fathers. The RCC no longer truly believes like the fathers in the setting apart of the scriptures. And you'll see this on this board today. While Catholics will tout the scriptures, they'll rely upon the Church positions (usually going no farther back than Anselm). When asked if they believe scripture to be more divinely inspired than church writings, one can hear the sound of crickets in the background.

Unlike the Orthodox who always believed they could change and make modifications to writings and teachings to keep up with the times, Catholics tout that they go back to the very early writings-something that they really ignored. Today it is no wonder that Catholics believe like the Orthodox (we won't even discuss Pelagius' views).

And that is why Roman Catholics don't like to be challenged scripturally. They really no longer recognized the infallibility and inerrancy of the scriptures. It is whatever Rome tells them to believe.

17 posted on 02/10/2013 3:47:51 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: NYer; narses
Have you ever come across one of those Protestant sectarians who, finding heretics on all sides, has reduced authentic Christianity to just himself?

Maybe; but it is DEFINITELY the RCC favorite strawman to build upon!

18 posted on 02/10/2013 5:01:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kaehurowing
“I got mad at what was going on at the first church and had to leave.”


I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
 
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
 
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
 
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of GOD or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
He said, "Baptist Church of GOD!"
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of GOD, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist Church of GOD!"
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915!"
 
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.
-- Emo Phillips

19 posted on 02/10/2013 5:02:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HarleyD
And that is why Roman Catholics don't like to be challenged scripturally.

Or historically; either!

20 posted on 02/10/2013 5:03:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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