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Why Mormonism will Surrender to Homosexuality
Renew America ^ | Feb. 13, 2013 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 02/13/2013 4:44:23 AM PST by spirited irish

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To: Hoodat

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon385.htm


151 posted on 02/13/2013 10:14:42 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Hoodat
"These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 546-547).
152 posted on 02/13/2013 10:32:34 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Hoodat
Christians do, having been given that authority by God

I gotcher authority!

Right HERE!!




153 posted on 02/13/2013 10:34:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T. P. Pole
But we all have seen threads turn to "bashing" on the mere mention of Utah in the article, even if the subject is Arches National Park and has nothing to do with mormons beyond vacinity.

No; "we" haven't.

SOMEthing in the replies triggered a response.

154 posted on 02/13/2013 10:36:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat
You have elected yourself arbiter of this matter.

And the SB's are extremely glad they aren't in the crosshairs!

155 posted on 02/13/2013 10:38:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat
You allow some religions to get a free pass when it comes to obeying scripture, writing it off as "doctrinal differences".

PLEASE!

Level the playing field by posting about those getting a free pass.

It is FREE Republic after all.

156 posted on 02/13/2013 10:39:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wolfman23601
Could that be a metaphore or simply a story to teach a greater lesson?

Thank you for calling Ask Jesus: Press 1 for English.


Matthew 24:37-38

“But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

“For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,”


157 posted on 02/13/2013 10:42:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat
I was simply pointing out the double-standard.

Then you are worthless.

To 'point out' and then fail to try to correct?

What good is THAT?

158 posted on 02/13/2013 10:43:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wolfman23601; svcw; Colofornian; Elsie; SENTINEL
I am talking about the authority of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints, which has been against polygamy in doctrine since the 19th century. Yes, there are offshoots that still practice it and are consistent with the teachings in their book, but those offshoots are considered heretical by the mother church.

Then why is Section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants STILL officially included in the "holy scriptures" of the mormon church? Heresy?

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159 posted on 02/13/2013 10:47:00 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: wolfman23601
I am talking about the authority of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints, which has been against polygamy in doctrine since the 19th century.

It HAS?

I daresay one canNOT find anything official from SLC headquarters to this effect.

It is STILL 'scripture'

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

The spineless weasels that run MORMONism, Inc. (in SLC) have CHOSEN to be a state rather than OBEY what their GOD told then to do.

160 posted on 02/13/2013 10:49:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
You want to know who's bound for hell? Anyone that denies food, clothing, or shelter to a sinner.

That's a new one!

161 posted on 02/13/2013 10:49:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat
Actually, I do. I simply pointed out where you anointed yourself as the one to pick and choose which scriptures are worthy of the 'heresy' label and which ones do not.



Let's see if YOU can find anything in the following to DISAGREE with...


 
See some differences between GOD's Word and the Joseph Smith's 'translation'
 
 


Color coding explanation:
 
Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff... 
 *(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)

 
 
 
 

JOSEPH SMITH—MATTHEW
An extract from the translation of the Bible as revealed to Joseph Smith the Prophet in 1831: Matthew 23: 39 and chapter 24.
Jesus foretells the impending destruction of Jerusalem—He also discourses on the second coming of the Son of Man, and the destruction of the wicked.
1 aFor I say unto you, that ye shall not see me henceforth and know that I am he of whom it is written by the prophets, until ye shall say: Blessed is he who bcometh in the name of the Lord, in the clouds of heaven, and all the holy angels with him. Then understood his disciples that he should come again on the earth, after that he was glorified and ccrowned on the right hand of God.
2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and his disciples came to him, for to ahear him, saying: Master, show us concerning the buildings of the temple, as thou hast said—They shall be thrown down, and left unto you desolate.
3 And Jesus said unto them: See ye not all these things, and do ye not understand them? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here, upon this temple, one astone upon another that shall not be thrown down.
4 And Jesus left them, and went upon the Mount of Olives. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be which thou hast said concerning the destruction of the temple, and the Jews; and what is the asign of thy bcoming, and of the cend of the world, or the destruction of the dwicked, which is the end of the world?
5 And Jesus answered, and said unto them: Take heed that no man deceive you;
6 For many shall come in my name, saying—I am aChrist—and shall deceive many;
7 Then shall they deliver you up to be aafflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be bhated of all nations, for my name’s sake;
8 And then shall many be aoffended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another;
9 And many afalse prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many;
10 And because iniquity shall abound, the alove of many shall wax cold;
11 But he that remaineth asteadfast and is not overcome, the same shall be saved.
12 When you, therefore, shall see the aabomination of bdesolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of cJerusalem, then you shall stand in the dholy place; whoso readeth let him understand.
13 Then let them who are in Judea flee into the amountains;
14 Let him who is on the housetop flee, and not return to take anything out of his house;
15 Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes;
16 And wo unto them that are with achild, and unto them that give suck in those days;
17 Therefore, pray ye the Lord that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;
18 For then, in those days, shall be great atribulation on the bJews, and upon the inhabitants of cJerusalem, such as was not before sent upon Israel, of God, since the beginning of their kingdom until this time; no, nor ever shall be sent again upon Israel.
19 All things which have befallen them are only the beginning of the sorrows which shall come upon them.
20 And except those days should be shortened, there should none of their flesh be asaved; but for the elect’s sake, according to the bcovenant, those days shall be shortened.
21 Behold, these things I have spoken unto you concerning the Jews; and again, after the tribulation of those days which shall come upon Jerusalem, if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe him not;
22 For in those days there shall also arise false aChrists, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.
23 Behold, I speak these things unto you for the aelect’s sake; and you also shall hear of bwars, and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled, for all I have told you must come to pass; but the end is not yet.
24 Behold, I have told you before;
25 Wherefore, if they shall say unto you: Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not;
26 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the aeast, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
27 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the acarcass is, there will the eagles be bgathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.
28 And they shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars.
29 Behold I speak for mine elect’s sake; for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be afamines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
30 And again, because iniquity shall abound, the love of men shall wax acold; but he that shall not be overcome, the same shall be saved.
31 And again, this aGospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world, for a witness unto all bnations, and then shall the end come, or the destruction of the wicked;
32 And again shall the aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.
33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the asun shall be bdarkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the cstars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
34 Verily, I say unto you, this ageneration, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.
35 Although, the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my awords shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled.
36 And, as I said before, after the atribulation of those days, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth bmourn; and they shall see the cSon of Man dcoming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory;
37 And whoso atreasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall bcome, and he shall send his cangels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the dremainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
38 Now learn a parable of the afig-tree—When its branches are yet tender, and it begins to put forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh at hand;
39 So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;
40 But of that day, and hour, no one aknoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.
41 But as it was in the days of aNoah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;
42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the aflood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;
43 And aknew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
44 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the alast days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other bleft;
45 Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;
46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; awatch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.
47 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up, but would have been ready.
48 Therefore be ye also aready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.
49 Who, then, is a afaithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
50 Blessed is that aservant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing; and verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
51 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord adelayeth his coming,
52 And shall begin to smite his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,
53 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
54 And shall cut him asunder, and shall appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and agnashing of teeth.
55 And thus cometh the aend of the wicked, according to the prophecy of Moses, saying: They shall be cut off from among the people; but the end of the earth is not yet, but by and by.

KJV Matthew 23:38-39 24:1-51
39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
King James Version of the Holy Bible
Public domain

162 posted on 02/13/2013 10:54:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat
So this is how you end it by falsely attributing positions to me which I do not hold in order for you to escape being challenged?

HMMmm...



#5 Gee, yet another Mormonism-bashing thread.

163 posted on 02/13/2013 10:55:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

Hey! ;^)


164 posted on 02/13/2013 10:57:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Maybe one day when we meet in Heaven we’ll laugh about our differences.

And maybe not...




I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
 
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
 
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
 
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of GOD or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
He said, "Baptist Church of GOD!"
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of GOD, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist Church of GOD!"
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915!"
 
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.
-- Emo Phillips

165 posted on 02/13/2013 10:58:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ca-ching!


166 posted on 02/13/2013 10:59:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat
It's not in my heart to engage in some ongoing crusade on this forum against one particular religion or sect whether it be Mormons, or Catholics, or Southern Baptists, or Samaritans, or Jews, or Muslims, or . . .

So you ain't much for 'contending for the faith'; eh?

Jude 1:3

167 posted on 02/13/2013 11:00:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat

Do you happen to have a link for that?

Here ya go:

Fact,
Spin,
and Bible: all in one place.

http://www.google.com/search?q=LDS+teaching.+God+had+sex+with+Mary.&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475


168 posted on 02/13/2013 11:02:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Your links do not work. Thanks for the effort though. I appreciate your attempted offer of actual church issued doctrine instead of hearsay from church opponents. Sincerely.


169 posted on 02/13/2013 11:03:45 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Hoodat
Your links do not work. 
 
 
I'm sorry about that; but when one copies from the LDS website; the links get messed up.  (I fail to see why they need SO many links to common words anyway)
 
 
 
 
The only one that works is the following:
 
 The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
© 2006 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.
Rights and use information. Privacy policy.

170 posted on 02/13/2013 11:09:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

LOL!


171 posted on 02/13/2013 11:11:27 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: spirited irish

Kind of a long story to indicate that Mormons will turn gueer like so many other churches have already done, though they did hang in there longer thana lot of them did.


172 posted on 02/13/2013 11:11:40 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: PapaBear3625; Jim Robinson; svcw; Elsie; Hoodat
Mormons are not generally characterized as promoters of socialism.

Mormon scripture Doctrine and Covenants 78:1-12

"

1 "The Lord spake unto Joseph Smith, Jun., saying: Hearken unto me, saith the Lord your God, who are ordained unto the ahighpriesthood of my church, who have assembled yourselves together;

2 And listen to the acounsel of him who has bordained you from on high, who shall speak in your ears the words of cwisdom, that salvation may be unto you in that thing which you have presented before me, saith the Lord God.

3 For verily I say unto you, the time has come, and is now at hand; and behold, and lo, it must needs be that there be anaorganization of my people, in regulating and establishing the affairs of the bstorehouse for the cpoor of my people, both in this place and in the land of dZion

4 For a permanent and everlasting establishment and order unto my church, to advance the cause, which ye have espoused, to the salvation of man, and to the glory of your Father who is in heaven;

5 That you may be aequal in the bonds of heavenly things, yea, and earthly things also, for the obtaining of heavenly things.

6 For if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be aequal in obtaining heavenly things;

7 For if you will that I give unto you a place in the acelestialworld, you must bprepare yourselves by cdoing the things which I have commanded you and required of you.

8 And now, verily thus saith the Lord, it is expedient that all things be done unto my aglory, by you who are joined together in this border;

9 Or, in other words, let my servant Newel K. Whitney and my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and my servant Sidney Rigdon sit in council with the saints which are in aZion;

10 Otherwise aSatan seeketh to turn their bhearts away from the truth, that they become cblinded and understand not the things which are prepared for them.

11 Wherefore, a commandment I give unto you, to prepare and organize yourselves by a abond or everlasting bcovenant that cannot be broken.

12 And he who breaketh it shall lose his office and standing in the church, and shall be adelivered over to the bbuffetings of Satan until the day of redemption."

Sounds a lot like Obama to me.

173 posted on 02/13/2013 11:12:24 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: Hoodat

Why not post a thread about all these other heretics, and ping me.
This is a thread about mormonism, so the discussion is about mormonism - simple concept really.


174 posted on 02/13/2013 11:14:26 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Hoodat

Wow look at everyone getting all their P’s in a twist over your Mormon bashing comment. You struck a nerve.

Boy some folks spend so much time obsessing about Mormons they rent half their brains for free!!LOL


175 posted on 02/13/2013 11:16:54 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
You want to know who's bound for hell? Anyone that denies food, clothing, or shelter to a sinner.

Please, provide Biblical references for your claim.

176 posted on 02/13/2013 11:17:09 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: wolfman23601; Elsie
Official Declaration One

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

Wilford Woodruff President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

1890

177 posted on 02/13/2013 11:19:41 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Hoodat; AppyPappy

The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father...” Apostle Orson Pratt The Seer, Oct. 1853, page 158

The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” Brigham Young Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115

Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” Mormon Doctrine, 1979, pages 546-47 Apostle Bruce R. McConkie

It was also lawful in Him, after having dealt with Mary, to give her to Joseph her espoused husband. Whether God the Father gave Mary to Joseph for time only, or for time and eternity, we are not informed. Inasmuch as God was the first husband to her, it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in this mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity.” The Seer, Oct. 1853, pg. 158

The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” Brigham Young Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115

Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” Mormon Doctrine, 1979, pages 546-47 Apostle Bruce R. McConkie

Brigham Young: ‘’ l believe the Father came down from heaven, as the Apostles said he did, and begat the Savior of the World; for He is the Only Begotten of the Father which could not have been if the Father did not actually beget him in person’’. (Journal of Discourses Vol. 1 page 238) AND ‘’The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children ; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers’’ (Journal of Discourses Vol. 8 page 115)

Physical relations between God and Mary has been clearly advocated in the Church by such authorities as Brigham Young [1], Orson Pratt [2], Heber C. Kimball [3], Joseph F. Smith, [4], Joseph Fielding Smith [5], James E. Talmage [6], Melvin J. Ballard [7], J. Reuben Clark [8], Bruce R. McConkie [9], and Ezra Taft Benson [10]. Mormons believe that Christ was literally the Son of God in the flesh, and he was conceived in a natural, physical way according to eternal law.

Heber C. Kimball “In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my Saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it.” (Journal of Discourses, 8:211)

“Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost... Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!” (Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18).

Bruce McConkie “These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1979, pages 546-47)

There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 742)

“There is no need to spiritualize away the plain meaning of the scriptures. There is nothing figurative or hidden or beyond comprehension in our Lord’s coming into mortality. He is the Son of God in the same sense and way that we are the sons of mortal fathers. It is just that simple.” (The Promised Messiah: The First Coming of Christ, p. 468)


178 posted on 02/13/2013 11:20:36 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: AppyPappy

Your link cites 19th century writings. Do you happen to have anything a bit more current about present church doctrine (preferably from the church itself and not from an opponent of the church)? Thanks in advance.


179 posted on 02/13/2013 11:24:09 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Hoodat
Matthew 1:50 example follows:
BAD link   http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1.js-m/1/50a?lang=eng   this SHOULD look like the following-->
Good link  http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1.50a?lang=eng          why the extra js-m/1/ is in the link baffles me.
 
 
 
The GOOD links following bring up the entire chapter with the wanted verses highlighted with a light yellow tint.
 
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1?lang=eng        works for whole chapter            Matthew chapter 1
 
 
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1.3-20?lang=eng   works for a range of scripture     Matthew 1:3-20
 
 
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1.11?lang=eng     works for an indivdual scripture   Matthew 1:11
 
 
 

180 posted on 02/13/2013 11:25:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Blackirish
Boy some folks spend so much time obsessing about Mormons they rent half their brains for free!!LOL

We are NOT absessed!

We ONLY spend a year out of our lives, 10 hours a day and 6 days a week doing this.

How DARE you call us using HALF our brains!



181 posted on 02/13/2013 11:28:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Blackirish
How DARE you call us using HALF our brains!

Why WE are COLLEGE trained!!


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


182 posted on 02/13/2013 11:30:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat
Yeah?

Where is the part where their god TELLS them to stop obeying him?

183 posted on 02/13/2013 11:30:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat
There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy;

Doncha just LOVE qualifiers!!

184 posted on 02/13/2013 11:32:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat

Do you happen to have anything a bit more current about present church doctrine ...

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132?lang=eng


185 posted on 02/13/2013 11:33:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

186 posted on 02/13/2013 11:35:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hoodat; All
Do you happen to have anything a bit more current about present church doctrine...

This is a valid request.


Attention MORMONs reading this:

Do you have anything that states D&C 132 is no longer valid as scripture?

187 posted on 02/13/2013 11:37:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
I would say that Apostle Orson Pratt was trying to use his doctrine to shape scripture instead of using scripture to shape his doctrine. The same goes for Brigham Young. Not sure about what McConkie is trying to say. You may be reading something into it that isn't there. It would be nice to have more context. The excerpt from the Seer makes the same mistake as Pratt. They had some doctrinal concept of marriage and conception which they used to shape the meaning of scripture - a mistake which continues to plague many denominations to this very day.

I believe you may be reading more into this than is actually there. But I would definitely be interested in hearing what the present day LDS church has to say about this. Certainly there must be some recent official edict or proclamation floating around which states that God had sex with Mary. Until I see that, I am willing to give them the benefit of doubt.

188 posted on 02/13/2013 11:37:30 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Elsie

I meant a bit more current than 1831.


189 posted on 02/13/2013 11:42:57 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Elsie

In Mormon theology God could have changed His mind fifteen minutes ago...so any moron can use the excuse “we haven’t taught that in the last fifteen minutes” or, “some wards may teach that but my ward doesn’t” only if you become a member you find out yes, they do, they always have, it’s just one of the “secrets” they don’t like to discuss in public.


190 posted on 02/13/2013 11:51:30 AM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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To: Elsie
Sorry, I'm really not seeing much difference between these versions:

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/24?lang=eng

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2024&version=NKJV

191 posted on 02/13/2013 11:52:03 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Blackirish

Yeah, come to think of it, Jesus got the same type of response from the pharisees. Go figure.


192 posted on 02/13/2013 11:54:00 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Hoodat

Any requests for such information would be considered “Mormon-bashing”.


193 posted on 02/13/2013 11:55:26 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: svcw
Rommans 12:
→17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

→18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

→20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

→21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


Prov 24:
12 If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he →render to every man; according to his works?←


Matt 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; → but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.←

194 posted on 02/13/2013 11:55:56 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: Hoodat

Yeah, come to think of it a barking dog also got the same response from the son of sam AKA David Berkowitz. Go figure.

same idiot logic.


195 posted on 02/13/2013 12:02:06 PM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Hoodat

Ok, everything I posted is referenced.

Everything listed is explained by the people who said it.....
yet, it appears it is not enough for you.
((sigh))

If you are unable or unwilling to understand what has been said and documented by lds leaders, that is on you.

I provided the information you requested, and well, you still do not beleive that is what lds leaders teach, so ok.


196 posted on 02/13/2013 12:03:06 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw
If you are unable or unwilling to understand what has been said and documented by lds leaders, that is on you.

hidden agenda photo hiddenagenda.jpg

197 posted on 02/13/2013 12:27:29 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

You said: You want to know who’s bound for hell? Anyone that denies food, clothing, or shelter to a sinner.

I asked: Please, provide Biblical references for your claim.

You posted versus which do not say what you said. They say many great things, but nothing about the denial of Salvation if one does not feed, clothe or shelter the least of these or sinners.


198 posted on 02/13/2013 12:49:48 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Hoodat; wolfman23601; Elsie; All
Re: Woodruff's 1890 declaration...

#1...If Woodruff's 1890 declaration had taken amongst all of its leader, the 1904 Second Manifesto would have been redundant/superflous.

#2...May I suggest you at least look at the lengthy appendix in Solemn Covenant: THE MORMON POLYGAMOUS PASSAGE (and perhaps read a chapter or two from this book)

Hardy, himself a descendent of polygamists, lists (if I recall correctly) about 260 plural unions between 1890-1910 in the appendix. These were solemnized by hierarchy Mormons.

If you look at this list closely, you'll see some of these additional plural unions lasted all the way until the early 1960s.

#3 To elaborate further on this, Woodruff's declaration didn't evaporate most of the existing plural unions as of that time.

#4 Current Lds teaching is that if you are solemnized to more than one spouse in the lds temple (for example, a second after the first died), you are a polygamist as of death...provided you make it to the Celestial Kingdom, that is.

#5...Lds "apostle" McConkie taught that polygamy was a "holy practice" that would jumpstart again when the Mormon jesus returns...(see his book, Mormon Doctrine).

199 posted on 02/13/2013 12:51:22 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Hoodat; CatherineofAragon; All
Wouldn't that depend on whose definition of Christianity you are using?

Funny how when posters say fLDSism isn't (mainstream) Mormonism, I don't see posters like yourself with your "Would that depend on whose definition of Mormonism you are using" quips...

200 posted on 02/13/2013 1:32:26 PM PST by Colofornian
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