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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
In short,G-d made it abundantly clear that His Torah is not to be changed. Christianity has done that.

You know what? The U.S. Constitution has been amended many times, yet you & I would no doubt speak of "THE" Constitution as written by the Founding Fathers. (We wouldn't quibble over those amendments in speaking of THE Constitution, would we?)

In short, Jesus said He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it perfectly -- something you or ANYBODY can never do! (Jesus simply made the Torah more explicit...such as Matthew 5:17-48)

The Messiah upholds God's law:

As James says, if you break ONE part of the law, you are guilty of ALL of it!

Jesus did not fulfill any of the messianic prophecies.

Have you studied the HUNDREDS of them in the OT -- and then matched prophesy for prophesy re: Jesus' life, death, and resurrection?

Jesus did not bring peace.

The peace Jesus brought was overcoming enmity between man & God...not allowing our sin any longer to be a relationship barrier with the perfect holiness, justice, and righteousness of G-d...and this peace then has spilled over horizontally to peace among men...

He violated the Commandments.

So you obey all 613 mitzvot??

Jesus became a curse and all of man's sin for each of us; what are you hoping G-d does for your life's sins -- grade them on some kind of curve up against all the demands of the Torah???? (Yes???)

When you read Stephen's message in Acts 7, he clearly told the Jews there that they had disobeyed the Torah, and Jesus clearly pronounced to the Pharisees (example Matthew 23) that the worst of that disobedience occurred within them....

I just LOVE how Christians act as though they know G-d’s Torah

What? Do you still practice animal sacrifices and the system of cohanim (which the Torah set up to administer)?

Yeshua's own sacrifical death fulfilled the function of the Temple sacrice for sin, thereby superceding it once for all.

Other rules within the Torah -- ones that specify punishments for disobedience -- were united with the Messiah's own sacrifice for them. (Paul, taught zealously under the law by Gamaliel, clearly said those were not abrogated but were executed already...see Romans 6:2; 8:1; Galatians 3:10-13)

the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Per Hebrews 7:19, the Torah did not bring anyone to the goal. ("...the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.")

What exactly is your spiritual goal? Is it to draw near to G-d? How do you propose to do that, given that the law only reveals the perfect standard but provides no empowerment to perform it?

89 posted on 02/23/2013 10:29:11 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

The messiah will do all those things.

Asking me if I have fulfilled all 613 Commandments is really dumb and I will give you two reasons:

1) I’m not Jewish so I don’t have to obey all 613 Commandments. I’m not the messiah. (Duh).

2) You are clearly misinformed about the true word of G-d and that is His Torah. No religion or any other “holy book” is to replace it.


90 posted on 02/23/2013 10:45:56 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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