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Who will NOT be pope.
3-4-13 | dangus

Posted on 03/04/2013 1:36:51 PM PST by dangus

I won't pretend to know who the next pope will be (of course), but I'm getting a guess at who it will NOT be.

Cardinal Tarcisso Bertone, Vatican Secretary of State, Italy. The very real banking scandal makes him look bad, and he'd be retiring in a year or two anyway, if Pope Benedict stayed healthy.

Cardinal Francois Arinze, President Emeritus of the Congregation for Divine Worship, Nigeria. If Benedict was suddenly struck down several years ago, Arinze would've been the presumptive pope. Several of the betting sites thought he was the favorite, until people started realizing that he's already retired.

Cardinal Peter Turkson, President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, Ghana. His seemingly disqualifying comments to the British press probably were just journalists making controversy, but I can't help thinking that all the crowds who were so excited about a black pope mistook him for Arinze when they heard there was a black pope shoo-in years ago, and couldn't find Arinze among the papabile today; he's a rather low-ranking official. But unlike Arinze and Bertone, he's still viable.

Timothy Dolan, Sean O'Malley or any other American. But not because Rome will be biased against a super-power. It's because the American press has become very savvy and very unprincipled in generating Alinskyite ad-hominem attacks, as those against Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin, etc. And anything short of selling every possession of the Catholic church, converting it into paper bills, and throwing it off a building while shouting "Free money for anyone who will slander a priest!" will satisfy those who want not an end to the child abuse scandals, but an endless supply of heads to stick on pikes. There's no way they could "win" in the press. Witness, for instance, the way they labelled someone who risked his life to flee the Nazi Youths as a "Nazi Youth." A very dark horse candidate would be Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the court of final appeal at the Vatican.

Who's viable?

Angelo Scola, Archbishop of Milan is the leading Italian.

Peter Erdo, Arcbhisop of Eztergom-Budapest and three-time president of the European Episcopal Conference is the leading European.

Luis Tagle, Archbishop of Manila is the leading developing world candidate.

Marc Ouellette, President of the Congregation for Bishops and former Archbishop of Quebec is the leading member of the Roman Curia (the papal "cabinet.")

George Pell, Archbishop of Sydney, Australia is the leading Anglophone, although even he is a very dark horse.


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1 posted on 03/04/2013 1:36:55 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Feel free to add me to the list of those who won’tr be elected...and if elected I will not serve.


2 posted on 03/04/2013 1:41:35 PM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dangus

Why not Odilo Pedro Scherer?


3 posted on 03/04/2013 1:43:57 PM PST by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator)
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To: pgkdan

My wife wouldn’t let me take the job. She thinks that Rome is an awful city.


4 posted on 03/04/2013 1:44:04 PM PST by Fai Mao
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To: dangus

Jerry Sandusky but only because he’s busy.


5 posted on 03/04/2013 1:44:23 PM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: dangus

I am almost positive that I will not be pope.

I am also positive that Obama will believe he should have been pope, even though he is less qualified to be pope than me.


6 posted on 03/04/2013 1:54:08 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: dangus

John Kerry’s probably kicking himself that he just took the Secretary of State job.


7 posted on 03/04/2013 1:56:04 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: TSgt
Even the most "conservative" person they could elect will still be pro-amnesty, pro-universal healthcare, pro-labor, and anti-capitalist.

Who will NOT be pope is anyone who is politically conservative by Free Republic's standards.

8 posted on 03/04/2013 2:02:20 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: dangus

Thinking of the mainstream media makes me want to vomit. Their attacks on Christians in general, and Catholics in particular go on and on.

Up and down the tv networks, NPR, the major dailies, Catholics are openly despised.

And this is just the beginning...there will come a time in the not too distant future when churches will be attacked. Worshipers will have to practice in secret...I’m sure about this.

The networks are laying the ground.


9 posted on 03/04/2013 2:02:42 PM PST by kjo (+)
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Hillary is available these days.


10 posted on 03/04/2013 2:03:25 PM PST by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: dangus

I am going to put a marker on Christoph Cardinal Schönborn, Archbishop of Vienna.

He is young, and was editor of the Catechism published in 1992.

While I know God will handle it, it is fun to make a prediction.

Here is link to his profile on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Sch%C3%B6nborn


11 posted on 03/04/2013 2:03:25 PM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: dangus

The current Prefect? 8)


12 posted on 03/04/2013 2:07:21 PM PST by WCH
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To: pgkdan

Me neither. Red shoes make me look fat.


13 posted on 03/04/2013 2:10:42 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: dangus

It will most likely be a cardianal in either his 50’s or 60’s, no older Popes or transitions Popes.


14 posted on 03/04/2013 2:14:26 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dangus

Malcom Cardinal Ranjith of Sri Lanka is more likely than Tagle of Manilla.

And Arinze is possilbe,despite his age. Not likely, but possible. Would get “gotta elect a black pope” monkey off our backs while electing someone who’s as conservative as Benedict was, with a new vote before long, when they can return to electing Italians.


15 posted on 03/04/2013 2:16:48 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: SpirituTuo

Schoenborn is a loose cannon and everyone knows it. Not a chance he’ll be pope until pigs start flying.


16 posted on 03/04/2013 2:19:14 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Biggirl

late 60s or 70s, not 50s. Someone in his 50s could be pope for 30 years and no one wants that.


17 posted on 03/04/2013 2:20:44 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: kjo

If they keep picking on you, you will qualify as an honorable Israeli.


18 posted on 03/04/2013 2:22:46 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: dangus

I would consider this Cardinal from Argentina a favorite — Leonardo Sandri.

Sandri, 69, left for Rome at 27 and never came back to stay in Argentina. Initially trained as a canon lawyer, he reached the No. 3 spot in the church’s hierarchy under Pope John Paul II, the zenith of a long career in the Vatican’s diplomatic service ranging from Africa to Mexico to Washington.

As substitute secretary of state for seven years, he essentially served as the pope’s chief of staff, running the central office at the heart of the Vatican bureaucracy known as the Curia.

Sandri remains a consummate Vatican insider. Benedict promoted him to cardinal and named him to the Vatican’s Supreme Tribunal, which provides the second-to-last word on church law, after the pope. Sandri also is one of very few cardinals in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the rule-making bastion Joseph Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) led for many years before becoming pope.

The Catholic faithful probably best remember him as the “voice of the pope” who delivered papal speeches when John Paul II became too infirm, and it was Sandri who announced the beloved pope’s death to the crowd in St. Peter’s Square, adding the memorable observation that “we all feel like orphans this evening.”

One strike against Sandri -— He has never led a congregation, this will be a disadvantage for cardinals who want the next pope to have pastoral experience.


19 posted on 03/04/2013 2:22:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: dangus

Use guys don’t want the job? I’ll take it!


20 posted on 03/04/2013 2:25:21 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Perdogg; dangus
Why not Odilo Pedro Scherer?

The Brasileiros already believe God is Brasilian. Must you encourage them?

; D

Saude!

21 posted on 03/04/2013 2:26:23 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: All

I think Ouellet is the most papabile of the lot.

He really does cover all the bases:

1) He’s been a parish priest
2) He’s been a front-lines missionary
3) He’s been a seminary professor
4) He’s been a bishop
5) He’s led a major curial department

No, he’s not African, Latino, Italian or Asian, but he’s probably the best ‘none of the above’ option.


22 posted on 03/04/2013 2:27:45 PM PST by Preston Manning (When standing on the edge of a cliff, a "giant step forward" is NOT progress!)
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To: Houghton M.

The odds aren’t in my favor. However, my take is that he is young, a polyglot, a “real” aristocrat, both an insider and outsider, and belongs to groups most in the spotlight:

Congregations: for the Doctrine of the Faith; for the Oriental Churches; for Catholic Education;

Pontifical Councils: for Culture; for Promoting New Evangelization;

Special Council for Europe of the General Secretariat of the Synod of Bishops.

Just to name a few things...


23 posted on 03/04/2013 2:28:20 PM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: dangus

I will only serve, IF:

1. I can NOT wear the red shoes. I do not want to look like Dorothy.
2. Popemobile must go. I want something manly.
3. Holy Water must go. Too germy. Research has said so...
4. I will not live in Rome. Dirty city. I prefer a water view.

These are my demands to the Cardinals. I will not budge.


24 posted on 03/04/2013 2:29:45 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That is an example of a cardinal who is in his 60’s, this is why I put for a cardinal in 50-60’s age range, not way too old, someone who could hand major trips to far-flung Catholic communites plus be tech savvy in this age of social media.


25 posted on 03/04/2013 2:30:35 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Preston Manning

Plus he is from North America, our neighbor to the north, Canada.


26 posted on 03/04/2013 2:32:54 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dangus; a fool in paradise
Mmmmmmmm... red shoes!


27 posted on 03/04/2013 2:35:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Preston Manning

Were I a betting man, I’d bet $5 each on Ouellet and the youngster from the Philippines, Tagle. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Antonio_Tagle)


28 posted on 03/04/2013 2:37:32 PM PST by pogo101
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To: TSgt

Wrong. Jerry Sandusky’s not a Catholic, therefore not eligible. But that doesn’t fit in with your narrative, does it?


29 posted on 03/04/2013 2:37:32 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: SpirituTuo

Please God, no. Schoenborn has refused to crack down on leftist/dissenting priests in Austria, so why trust him with the whole Church??


30 posted on 03/04/2013 2:39:10 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: dangus
An American woman cannibal real estate agent.

/Lexx reference

31 posted on 03/04/2013 2:43:17 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Biggirl
That is an example of a cardinal who is in his 60’s, this is why I put for a cardinal in 50-60’s age range, not way too old, someone who could hand major trips to far-flung Catholic communites plus be tech savvy in this age of social media.

I personally agree but, by my count, only five of the top 45 oddsmaker-listed papabili are under 65. (Granted, you said "50-60s," not stopping at 65 like I did.) And two of those four are Americans (Dolan of NYC and Burke of St.Louis) generally thought to be no better than 50-to-1 shots. The other three are Ghanaian Cardinal Turkson, Quebec Cardinal Ouellet and youngster Cardinal Tagle of the Philippines.

32 posted on 03/04/2013 2:44:03 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Perdogg

Scherer is from a dysfunctional country although he has spent much of his career in Rome and not in Brazil.

However, he’s not conservative except by Brazilian standards. I will say that he has opposed abortion and some of the other things that are popular in Brazil, including some of their “charismatic” clergy, but he’s vague on world issues and is not up to being pope at least to some extent because his country is such a mess.

The only “Third World” people I think could do it would be Ranjith, who’s 67 (young enough but not too young), or Tagle, from the Phillipines. Arinze, who has spent much of his life in Rome, would probably be ok, but Turkson, head of the Peace and Justice Commission, is also from a dysfunctional country full of heresies and immoralities. Also, his big goal in life is a worldwide economic authority that would control everything.

Er, I don’t think so. African bishops need to do more about getting their own house in shape.


33 posted on 03/04/2013 2:45:56 PM PST by livius
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To: irishjuggler

I seem to remember Schoenborn drew a public rebuke from the Vatican over an incident in the last few years. If memory serves, he reversed a local Catholic tribunal’s decision to exclude an openly gay man from serving on its board AND invited that man and his partner to lunch at Schoenborn’s palatial home. Although B16 (Ratzinger) and Schoenborn are decades-long friends, B16 felt it important to rebuke his old friend. I doubt Schoenborn can get a majority of the conclave to vote for him in light of the rebuke, whatever one makes of merits of the underlying dispute.


34 posted on 03/04/2013 2:47:41 PM PST by pogo101
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To: SeekAndFind

Sandri is a serious liberal and was on the side of Marini and Bergoglio (the rivals to Ratzinger).


35 posted on 03/04/2013 2:48:17 PM PST by livius
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To: pogo101

Schoenborn and several others betrayed BXVI. I hope they don’t get any votes.


36 posted on 03/04/2013 2:51:12 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

RE: Sandri is a serious liberal and was on the side of Marini and Bergoglio (the rivals to Ratzinger).

Just curious to know... how does one get chosen to be a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the one that oversees Catholic Church doctrine, whose offices are housed at the Palace of the Holy Office at the Vatican, when one is a liberal?

Doesn’t the Pope at least examine the person’s grasp of doctrine?


37 posted on 03/04/2013 3:03:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Sandri is not at CDF and never has been, but is in charge of the Oriental Churches. This is something else I would say he has not done very well, since they are in great distress because of Islamic attacks - and the entire world is just ignoring them. And what has he said?


38 posted on 03/04/2013 3:08:22 PM PST by livius
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To: dangus

I know i won,t be pope.


39 posted on 03/04/2013 3:11:55 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: livius

RE: Sandri is not at CDF and never has been.

It says in the Vatican website that he is:

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/cardinali_biografie/cardinali_bio_sandri_l_it.html

It says in Italian ( which I can translate to English ):

È Membro:

delle Congregazioni: per la Dottrina della Fede; per l’Evangelizzazione dei Popoli; per i Vescovi; per l’Educazione Cattolica;

In English:

Member of:

Congregations: for the Doctrine of the Faith; for the Evangelization of Peoples, for Bishops, for Catholic Education

Why would one be allowed to be a member of the above with a liberal philosophy?


40 posted on 03/04/2013 3:14:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: dangus

Sonja Henie’s out.


41 posted on 03/04/2013 3:33:26 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: dangus
I wouldn't count out Cardinal Peter Turkson.

Isn't the next Pope supposed to be named Peter or Pedro or some variant?

42 posted on 03/04/2013 3:45:07 PM PST by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sorry, he is a member, but so are many other people who are not entirely orthodox, which was probably one of the things that led BXVI to resign. Sandri is and has been the Prefect of the Oriental Churches (to no effect) for a number of years now.

I read an interesting article that said that one of the reasons BXVI resigned was that he couldn’t move these people around anymore and he simply wanted to clear the decks (since technically they were all fired the day he resigned) and leave it open to a new pope to put in the right people without having any loyalty to holdovers.

One of the things that I think really stymied BXVI was the JPII holdovers, whom he couldn’t just get rid of and thus had to move from place to place. Perhaps if he had been more of a hatchet man, he could have done it...but that wasn’t his style.

I hope none of them gets to be pope, or we’ll be back to square one (when JPII was ailing and the Church was in free-fall).


43 posted on 03/04/2013 3:50:19 PM PST by livius
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To: dangus

Thje College of Cardinals will wait until Congress is in recess.

Then Obama will appoint himself in a Recess Appointment.

Think I am joking?

Note that Obama acts as if he already possessed Papal Infallibility.


44 posted on 03/04/2013 4:09:25 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

“An American woman cannibal real estate agent.”

The HillaBeast IS out of a job at present.


45 posted on 03/04/2013 4:13:57 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: dangus

46 posted on 03/04/2013 4:28:44 PM PST by jaz.357 (Contrary To Ordinary)
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To: SpirituTuo

Not after his balloon Mass.


47 posted on 03/04/2013 4:29:19 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: GladesGuru

He would make a good Pope;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eAo_7EccVo


48 posted on 03/04/2013 4:46:07 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Houghton M.

Schoenborn has also done an awful job of keeping ecclesiastical revolutionaries at bay in Austria.


49 posted on 03/04/2013 5:45:52 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: livius; Perdogg

There was an article in the Italian media about a couple of powerful Cardinals (Bertone) in the curia pushing for Scherer if they could get an Italian in the Secretary of State type position.

Along with Ouellet, they’ve also been mentioning Peter Erdo of Hungary who I don’t know much about.


50 posted on 03/04/2013 6:02:45 PM PST by SMCC1
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