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To: Heart-Rest

re: “The Bible also does not even say they ARE deceased (for most of the Apostles - including Peter). Does that mean they never died either, just because it is not recorded in the Bible?”

Come on, Heart-Rest, the roles of priest and Pope as practiced by the Catholic Church are not only not mentioned in the Bible, there is not even an account of anyone acting with the authority or fulfilling the actions that are practiced today by priest or Pope.

re: “One more point regarding Biblical terminology: if the word “grandfather” does not appear in the King James Version of the Bible, does that mean there is no such thing as a grandfather?”

Another irrelevancy. First of all, the King James Version is not the only reliable English translation of the Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic manuscripts. The days of the week as named today are also not mentioned in the Bible either - why not also use that as “proof” that the offices of “priest” and “pope” are “biblical” too?


55 posted on 03/09/2013 8:07:24 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd
"Come on, Heart-Rest, the roles of priest and Pope as practiced by the Catholic Church are not only not mentioned in the Bible, there is not even an account of anyone acting with the authority or fulfilling the actions that are practiced today by priest or Pope. "

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Here is one of the accounts in the Bible of Jesus instituting the Sacrament of Holy Eucharist, one of the main and most important things Priests do.

And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.And likewise the cup after supper, saying, This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.
Luke 22:19-20
And, much later, here is St. Paul giving instructions about how to celebrate that Sacrament, and showing he obviously observes this Apostolic/Priestly function as well himself.
For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me. In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying,This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

1 Corinthians 11:23-29
Jesus also delegated the power to forgive sins to His Apostles, and this is another very important Priestly function in the Church that Jesus built. (Do you somehow believe the Apostles never used that special faculty which Jesus explcitly delegated to them and their successors?)

Jesus said to them again, Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them,Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.
John 20:21-23
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" Another irrelevancy. First of all, the King James Version is not the only reliable English translation of the Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic manuscripts. The days of the week as named today are also not mentioned in the Bible either - why not also use that as “proof” that the offices of “priest” and “pope” are “biblical” too? "

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The King James reference was just meant as an example for you. It was you, rusty, who said that because the word "Pope" is not in the Bible, that function itself does not exist in the Bible.    However, it does.

I strongly urge you to carefully and prayerfully read these references completely:

    "The Pope"

    "The Primacy of Peter (1)"

    "The Primacy of Peter (2)"

(By the way, the King James Version is not fully reliable, since it is currently missing the seven books that Martin Luther removed from the Bible because he did not like what they said. Check out the following link to read about that.)

    "The Bible - 73 or 66 books?"

61 posted on 03/12/2013 4:24:32 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Sing to the Lord a new song; sing to the Lord, all the earth!" Psalm 96:1)
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