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To: patlin
Wrong.

Colossians 2: He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. 20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

181 posted on 03/13/2013 12:28:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Why did you skip over and not highlight verse 15 of Col 2? Because it defines whose laws Jesus made a mockery of when He nailed them the cross. Again, for your edification:

The word written as ‘law’ there is not law as in the ‘nomos’ of Moses but rather, Paul is referring to the ‘entole’, the statutes and precepts contained in the ‘dogma’, legal decrees of man (see Daniel and the decrees of the kings). One cannot read Eph 2:15 without considering its sister verses in Colossians.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (dogma) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled (stripped) principalities and powers, he made a shew (mockery) of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

G1378 δόγμα dogma Total KJV Occurrences: 5 decrees, 2 Act_16:4, Act_17:7 ordinances, 2 Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 decree, 1 Luk_2:1

G1378 Total LXX Occurrences: 12 δογμα (10) Dan_2:13, Dan_3:10, Dan_3:29, Dan_4:6, Dan_6:8-10 (3), Dan_6:12, Dan_6:15, Dan_6:26 δογματι (2) Dan_3:12, Dan_6:13

G1378 Total GRC Occurrences: 6 δογμα (2) Dan_6:12, Luk_2:1 δογμασιν (2) Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 δογματα (1) Act_16:4 δογματων (1) Act_17:7

The Greeks never used the word ‘dogma’ in reference to God’s Law, NEVER!

I had to laugh when Hoggard finally responded to this, not in private as a good pastor would, but without asking he decided to air his answers to the public first, which thankfully I caught the last part so I could write in a couple of comments. What Hoggard said was that I was defining the word ordinances using Hebrew not Greek, he said I hate the Greek and never us it. Now who is the liar? Who is the false prophet leading people astray? One who shows truth using the Greek text or one who lies to his listeners when he who obviously couldn't see the Greek right in from of him because of the Roman glasses he wears.

185 posted on 03/14/2013 10:18:12 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: xzins
Chaplin it should be noted that there are two laws referred to in Scripture. Moses Law i.e. the Book of the Law and the Royal Law, Yahweh's Law the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments were carried inside the Ark of the Covenant and Moses Law, the 613 mitzvoth were place on the outside of the Ark.

Part of the confusion in Paul's writings is not discerning which “Law” Paul is alluding to. The written commandments (613 mitzvot) were nailed to the cross but the Ten Commandments have been written on the heart of every Believer. They are our marriage covenant and MUST BE obeyed. We are “under” the Royal Law but His Grace covers our transgression till we come to repentance. How many years did we break the 4th Commandment out of ignorance but once you know the law you are bound by it. Depart from me you workers of INIQUITY. Iniquity is to break a known law. Obviously with this statement Yahshua is saying there will be judgment if you break a known law.

194 posted on 03/16/2013 5:35:28 PM PDT by ladyL
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