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Q-poll: Catholic voters are leading the USA to same-sex marriage
Hotair ^ | 03/10/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 03/10/2013 5:24:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Don't look at me --- I was the one arguing that the state should get out of the marriage business entirely, and that the only true state interest in marriage, from a secular point of view at least, is enforcing paternal responsibility, which has no connection to same-sex relationships. This latest poll from Quinnipiac only surprises me to the extent that Catholic voters seem to be ahead of the general population in redefining the legal definition of marriage while still identifying as Catholic:

American voter support for same-sex marriage is inching up and now stands at 47 --- 43 percent, including 54 ---- 38 percent among Catholic voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

This compares to a 48 – 46 percent statistical tie among all voters on same-sex marriage December 5 and reverses the 55 – 36 percent opposition in a July, 2008, survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. …

“Catholic voters are leading American voters toward support for same-sex marriage,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. “Among all voters, there is almost no gender gap, but a big age gap. Voters 18 to 34 years old support same sex marriage 62 – 30 percent; voters 35 to 54 years old are divided 48 – 45 percent and voters over 55 are opposed 50 – 39 percent.["]

This seems surprising for two reasons. First, as a rule, the Catholic voting bloc doesn’t truly lead much anymore. They tend to just reflect the current status quo of the general electorate. This kind of gap from the topline finding is unusual, and perhaps speaks to the demographics of self-identifying Catholics in the US — more centralized in urban areas, trending younger, but perhaps more culturally and ethnically identified than practicing. Only 31% in this sample attend Mass every week, and another 12% “almost” every week. By contrast, 39% either “never” attend Mass or only attend a few times a year, with 18% only attending “once or twice a month.”

The other surprise is the significant majority presented in this poll that is willing to let the state redefine what is a sacrament in the religion with which these voters are affiliated. It’s certainly intellectually possible to separate the church function in marriage from the state function, and a good number of decent and well-intentioned members of my faith make that argument. Unfortunately, in the real world, those functions have been linked, and it’s not too difficult to see what will happen in the future if the state redefines marriage. Eventually, a refusal to perform these unions will result in state sanctions and potentially the end of the ability of the church to perform one of its core sacramental duties; the HHS contraception mandate shows the demands popular culture will make on those of faith, and the penalties for refusal.

Also, not to hammer the point unnecessarily, but marriage in the Catholic faith is not a utilitarian tool for worldly pleasure. It’s a mirror of the internal life of the Trinity, which like its progenitor creates life and operates on both a material and spiritual plane to help us attain the holiness that will eventually (we certainly hope) bring us into that Trinitarian presence for eternity. That’s why it’s considered a sacrament, and why the Church teaches that marriages have to be open to new life in order to operate in a fully sacramental way — which, by the way, is the reason that the next Pope isn’t going to bless same-sex marriage or contraception, no matter how much the media wants it. Now, secular voters aren’t required to believe this, but one might think that Catholic voters would. The question of whether they have been taught this by their churches is certainly open to debate, however.

Yesterday I met author Christopher Ferrara, who wrote a provocative book called Liberty, the God That Failed: Policing the Sacred and Constructing the Myths of the Secular State, from Locke to Obama, which explores some of these issues. Chris is also president and chief counsel of the American Catholic Lawyers Association, which takes the cases of Catholics facing legal action for living their faith in the world, especially focused on pro-life issues. Chris and I discussed these issues yesterday at the media center here at the Vatican:

I may catch up with Chris later to discuss more of the issues facing this conclave and the Catholic Church in the US.

HAatV-560


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; cino; gay; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; religiousleft; samesexmarriage

1 posted on 03/10/2013 5:24:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Satire?


2 posted on 03/10/2013 5:33:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
...as a rule, the Catholic voting bloc doesn’t truly lead much anymore. They tend to just reflect the current status quo of the general electorate.

Something something salt something something savor

3 posted on 03/10/2013 5:35:43 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Salvation

RE: Satire?

You decide.

See here:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1863

TITLE:

American Catholics Support Same-Sex Marriage, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Catholics Want New Direction From Next Pope

EXCERPT:

American voter support for same-sex marriage is inching up and now stands at 47 - 43 percent, including 54 - 38 percent among Catholic voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

This compares to a 48 - 46 percent statistical tie among all voters on same-sex marriage December 5 and reverses the 55 - 36 percent opposition in a July, 2008, survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University.

Among all adult Catholics, 52 percent say the Church is moving in the right direction, while 31 percent say it is going in the wrong direction.

Church leaders are out of touch with the views of Catholics in America today, all Catholics say 52 - 40 percent. Men say out of touch, 54 - 37 percent, while women agree by a smaller 49 - 43 percent margin.

The next pope should move the Church in new directions, 55 percent of Catholics say, while 38 percent say the pope should maintain the current direction.

“Catholic voters are leading American voters toward support for same-sex marriage,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. “Among all voters, there is almost no gender gap, but a big age gap. Voters 18 to 34 years old support same sex marriage 62 - 30 percent; voters 35 to 54 years old are divided 48 - 45 percent and voters over 55 are opposed 50 - 39 percent.

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4 posted on 03/10/2013 5:36:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I was the one arguing that the state should get out of the marriage business entirely,

Another dummy repeating the dumbest argument ever.

5 posted on 03/10/2013 5:41:58 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama: Government by Freakout)
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To: SeekAndFind

A poll of the people is an excellent source of truth for religious direction. The crowd around the Arc and the bunch at Sodom and Gomorrah had the right ideas, didn’t they?


6 posted on 03/10/2013 5:42:16 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Alex Murphy
From the Quinnipiac University Poll: In general, do you support or oppose same-sex marriage?
                     REGISTERED VOTERS..........................................
                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    Hsp
 
Support              47%    23%    65%    50%    46%    48%    48%    32%    63%
Oppose               43     69     29     38     44     42     43     56     32
DK/NA                10      8      6     12      9     10      9     12      5
 
                            WHITE...............................................   
                            COLLEGE DEG                               BornAgnEv
                     Cath   Yes    No     Prot   Cath   Men    Wom    Yes    No  
                            
Support              54%    59%    42%    34%    50%    45%    50%    20%    55% 
Oppose               38     32     48     55     41     46     40     72     34  
DK/NA                 8      9      9     10      9      9      9      7     11  
 
                     COLLEGE DEG   ANNUAL HSHOLD INC    AGE IN YRS.......  Mltry
                     Yes    No     <50K   50-100 >100K  18-34  35-54  55+  HsHld
 
Support              58%    42%    43%    54%    58%    62%    48%    39%    43%
Oppose               32     48     47     37     37     30     45     50     45
DK/NA                10      9      9      9      6      7      7     11     12

7 posted on 03/10/2013 5:42:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
FROM THE QUINNIPIAC POLL:

24. How important would you say religion is in your life; very important, fairly important, or not very important?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Very important       57%    53%    61%    93%    40%    45%    62%    68%
Fairly important     33     33     32      7     44     41     29     25
Not very important    9     11      8      -     14     14      9      5
DK/NA                 1      2      -      -      2      -      -      2
 
TREND: How important would you say religion is in your life very important, fairly important, or not very important?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.......................
                     Mar 08  Apr 14  Jun 12  Jun 12  Apr 11
                     2013    2005    2003    2002    2002
 
Very important       57      64      56      60      59
Fairly important     33      27      28      30      34
Not very important    9       9      16      10       7
DK/NA                 1       -       -       -       -
 
 
25. Would you say you attend religious services every week, almost every week, once or twice a month, a few times a year, or never?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Every week           31%    29%    33%   100%     -     20%    36%    42%
Almost every week    12     13     11      -     17     11     12     13
Once or twice a mnth 18     17     18      -     26     21     17     12
A few times a year   28     28     28      -     41     35     27     19
Never                11     14      9      -     16     12      8     13
DK/NA                 -      -      -      -      -      -      -      1
 
TREND: Would you say you attend religious services every week, almost every week, once or twice a month, a few times a year, or never?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.......................
                     Mar 08  Apr 14  Jun 12  Jun 12  Apr 11
                     2013    2005    2003    2002    2002
 
Every week           31      30      30      30      34
Almost every week    12      13      17      15      13
Once or twice a mnth 18      18      18      14      20
A few times a year   28      30      26      30      24
Never                11       7       8      10       8
DK/NA                 -       -       1       1       -
 
 
26. In general do you think the Catholic Church of today is moving in the right direction or the wrong direction?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Right direction      52%    55%    49%    71%    43%    56%    52%    48%
Wrong direction      31     29     33     18     37     27     34     33
DK/NA                17     16     18     11     20     17     15     19
 
TREND: In general do you think the Catholic Church of today is moving in the right direction or the wrong direction?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS
                     Mar 08  Apr 14
                     2013    2005
 
Right direction      52      66
Wrong direction      31      14
DK/NA                17      20
 
 
27. In general, do you think that Catholic Church leaders are in touch with the views of Catholics in America today, or are they out of touch?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
In touch             40%    37%    43%    58%    32%    47%    39%    33%
Out of touch         52     54     49     34     59     46     53     54
DK/NA                 9      9      8      8      9      6      8     13
 
TREND: In general, do you think that Catholic Church leaders are in touch with the views of Catholics in America today, or are they out of touch?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS
                     Mar 08  Apr 14
                     2013    2005
 
In touch             40      54
Out of touch         52      37
DK/NA                 9       8
 
 
28. Do you think that Catholic Church leaders in Rome exert too much control over the Catholic Church in the United States, too little control, or the right amount of control?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Too much             23%    22%    25%    14%    28%    20%    23%    30%
Too little           15     17     14     12     17     15     18     12
Right amount         52     49     54     70     43     55     51     50
DK/NA                10     12      7      4     12     10      9      8
 
TREND: Do you think that Catholic Church leaders in Rome exert too much control over the Catholic Church in the United States, too little control, or the right amount of control?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS
                     Mar 08  Apr 14
                     2013    2005
 
Too much             23      18
Too little           15      17
Right amount         52      57
DK/NA                10       8
 
 
29. Is your opinion of Pope Benedict the Sixteenth very favorable, favorable, unfavorable, or very unfavorable?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Very favorable       16%    12%    20%    27%    11%    15%    16%    20%
Favorable            58     59     58     56     59     61     61     54
Unfavorable          15     16     13     13     16     17     12     15
Very unfavorable      3      3      2      2      3      2      3      3
DK/NA                 8     10      7      2     11      6      8      8
 
TREND: Is your opinion of Pope Benedict the Sixteenth very favorable, favorable, unfavorable, or very unfavorable?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS...........
                     BENEDICT XVI  JOHN PAUL II
                     Mar 08        Apr 11
                     2013          2002
 
Very favorable       16            39
Favorable            58            47
Unfavorable          15             5
Very unfavorable      3             1
DK/NA                 8             8
 
 
30. Do you think the next pope should move the Church in new directions or should he maintain the traditional positions of the Church?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
New directions       55%    51%    59%    43%    61%    56%    55%    55%
Maintain traditions  38     41     34     51     32     41     36     36
DK/NA                 7      8      7      6      7      3      8      9
 
 
31. (Split Sample A) Would you like the next pope of the Catholic Church to come from the United States or not?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS..................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less
 
Yes                  42%    41%    43%    43%    41%
No                   27     26     27     22     29
DK/NA                31     33     30     35     29
 
TREND: Would you like the next pope of the Catholic Church to come from the United States or not?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS
                     Mar 08  Apr 14
                     2013    2005
 
Yes                  42      29
No                   27      36
DK/NA                31      34
 
 
32. (Split Sample B) Would you like the next pope of the Catholic Church to come from a developing region, like South America or Asia, or not?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS..................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less
 
Yes                  29%    32%    26%    31%    29%
No                   44     38     49     39     45
DK/NA                27     30     24     30     26
 
 
33. Should the next pope support or oppose allowing priests to marry?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Support              62%    63%    61%    45%    70%    59%    62%    66%
Oppose               30     28     33     46     23     35     30     26
DK/NA                 8      9      7      9      7      6      8      8
 
TREND: Should the next pope support or oppose allowing priests to marry?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS
                     Mar 08  Apr 14
                     2013    2005
 
Support              62      53
Oppose               30      34
DK/NA                 8      13
 
 
34. Should the next pope support or oppose allowing women to become priests?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Support              62%    62%    62%    38%    73%    66%    62%    57%
Oppose               27     28     26     48     18     20     29     34
DK/NA                11     10     13     15     10     14      8     10
 
TREND: Should the next pope support or oppose allowing women to become priests?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS
                     Mar 08  Apr 14
                     2013    2005
 
Support              62      52
Oppose               27      35
DK/NA                11      13
 
 
35. Should the next pope allow Catholic clergy members to run for and serve in public office or not?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Yes                  35%    36%    33%    32%    36%    40%    28%    33%
No                   59     58     60     64     57     55     64     61
DK/NA                 6      6      7      5      7      5      7      6
 
TREND: Should the next pope allow Catholic clergy members to run for and serve in public office or not?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS
                     Mar 08  Apr 14
                     2013    2005
 
Yes                  35      32
No                   59      64
DK/NA                 6       5
 
 
36. Should the next pope relax the church ban on contraception or not?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Yes                  64%    60%    68%    51%    69%    68%    69%    53%
No                   28     32     24     39     23     25     26     33
DK/NA                 8      8      8      9      8      6      5     14
 
TREND: Should the next pope relax the church ban on contraception or not?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS
                     Mar 08  Apr 14
                     2013    2005
 
Yes                  64      55
No                   28      33
DK/NA                 8      13
 
 
37. Under the next pope, should the Catholic church do more to combat sexual abuse of young people by priests or is the church's current position about right?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Should do more       81%    81%    80%    74%    84%    80%    83%    79%
About right          13     14     12     22     10     17     11     13
DK/NA                 6      4      7      5      6      3      6      7
 
TREND: Under the next pope, should the Catholic church do more to combat sexual abuse of young people by priests or is the church's current position about right?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS
                     Mar 08  Apr 14
                     2013    2005
 
Should do more       81      86
About right          13      11
DK/NA                 6       4
 
 
38. As you may know, in 2012 President Obama announced a new policy on health insurance and birth control. Under the rule, if a religious-based institution, such as a Catholic hospital or university, objects to providing birth control coverage to its workers, its insurance company must pay for the coverage instead. Do you support or oppose this requirement?
                     ADULT CATHOLICS.....................................
                                          ATTEND SRVCS  AGE..............
                     Tot    Men    Wom    Weekly Less   18-40  41-59  60+
 
Support              51%    50%    52%    47%    53%    58%    50%    43%
Oppose               41     43     39     42     40     34     43     50
DK/NA                 8      8      8     11      7      8      7      7
 
 

8 posted on 03/10/2013 5:45:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I have noticed and believe that quinnipiac is pretty anti-Catholic so a little investigation was in order.

http://www.catholicleague.org/quinnipiac-poll-on-gay-marriage/

“Quinnipiac asked Catholic voters 14 questions on issues of interest to them, and on all but one the survey disaggregated the answers on the basis of church attendance. The one exception was on same-sex marriage.”

Now, if there wasn’t an agenda why didn’t they?


9 posted on 03/10/2013 5:49:27 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki

I think this survey reflects what the general Roman Catholic electorate voted for in November 2012. Remember, Obama is the gay-marriage and abortion (up to and including infanticide) supporting President.

Post-election polling shows U.S. Roman Catholics were as likely to favor President Barack Obama as the general population in 2012, continuing the Catholic record as the bellwether of the popular vote.

Catholics – the country’s largest religious group with one-quarter of the population – have supported the winner of the popular vote in every election since 1972.

See here:

http://www.cathnewsusa.com/2012/11/most-catholics-vote-for-obama-but-latinos-and-whites-divided/

EXCERPT:

Reuters/Ipsos exit polling found that 51 percent of Catholics favored President Barack Obama, compared with 48 percent for Republican contender Mitt Romney. A report by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life had a similar finding, with 50 percent of Catholics for Obama and 48 percent for Romney, the same as the popular vote in the general population.

Hispanic Catholics were far more likely to favor Obama – by 76 percent to 23 percent – than white Catholics, who favored Romney by 56 percent to 43 percent, according to the Reuters poll. Black Protestants favored Obama by 97 percent to 3 percent, while white Protestants favored Romney by 69 percent compared to 29 percent for Obama.

“When you talk about Catholics, there are really two Catholic votes, the white vote and the Hispanic vote, which look starkly different,” said Robert Jones, chief executive of the Public Religion Research Institute. He said exit polls found that overall, voters were focused mainly on economic issues.


10 posted on 03/10/2013 5:58:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: tiki

Good research.


11 posted on 03/10/2013 6:14:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even well-known Athiest Penn Jillette knows that not all self-professed catholics are truly Catholics!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsqzCDaS5uI


12 posted on 03/10/2013 6:36:41 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just because these morons call themselves Catholic doesn’t mean they truly are.


13 posted on 03/10/2013 6:48:49 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Don't look at me --- I was the one arguing that the state should get out of the marriage business entirely,..."

We're looking directly at all libertines in all political parties, who are so much like the slippery "progressives" of years past. But we're looking most directly at those who pose as conservatives their efforts to divide and conquer all that is good. They took the state out of former laws against sodomy, adultery, and the like, and brought our nation to what we see just ahead.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


14 posted on 03/10/2013 7:03:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: al_c

Just like all of those Jews who hate Israel.


15 posted on 03/10/2013 7:05:56 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Salvation

Lies.


16 posted on 03/10/2013 7:24:42 PM PDT by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: pgkdan

CINOs are being quoted as REAL Catholics. Sickening.


17 posted on 03/10/2013 7:26:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: tiki
Hispanic Catholics were far more likely to favor Obama – by 76 percent to 23 percent – than white Catholics, who favored Romney by 56 percent to 43 percent, according to the Reuters poll. Black Protestants favored Obama by 97 percent to 3 percent, while white Protestants favored Romney by 69 percent compared to 29 percent for Obama.

When will something be done about the Hispanics and Black Protestants that voted for Obama?? I know Catholics are working on the Hispanics. I wonder what is happening with the black Protestants -- NOTHING?

18 posted on 03/10/2013 7:33:06 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

we refer to these lost souls as CINO’s Catholics in name only.....you cannot be a participating Catholic and preach this nonsense......Easter is coming and I’m certain that many of them might even show up for their semi-annual Mass....


19 posted on 03/10/2013 7:41:08 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Salvation

Exactly. People who never attend Mass (or only attend it at Christmas and Easter) aren’t legitimate Catholics.


20 posted on 03/10/2013 7:47:49 PM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: tiki

They should have disaggregated it on this ?, but the argument that this is important in order to separate true Cs from false ones is also a problem, as Rome treats the nominal as members in life and in death, as the Catholic funeral for Chavez just exampled, who could have been excluded based on strict adherence to canon law. See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2995066/posts?page=126#126 and links.

Meanwhile, many surveys testify to the overall liberal status of Catholics: http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html


21 posted on 03/10/2013 7:56:54 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: HawkHogan

As long as Rome counts and treats them as members in life and in death (Kennedy, Chavez) , then you are simply protesting against them. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2995066/posts?page=15#15


22 posted on 03/10/2013 8:01:35 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Salvation

Latino Evangelicals are 50% more likely than those who are Catholics to identify with the Republican Party, and are significantly more conservative than Catholics on social issues, foreign policy issues and even in their attitudes toward the plight of the poor. http://pewforum.org/surveys/hispanic

White, non-Hispanic Catholics express about as much support for same-sex marriage as Hispanic Catholics do (53% and 54%, respectively). White evangelical Protestants are more opposed to gay marriage (76%) than are Hispanic evangelical Protestants (66%). http://www.pewforum.org/Race/Latinos-Religion-and-Campaign-2012.aspx

As for black Prots, they do not differentiate btwn evangelicals and mainline type black Prots, but race and welfare seems to trump faith. Likewise among black RCs also.


23 posted on 03/10/2013 8:19:42 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Daniel,
This is where Catholic thinking and evangelical thinking diverge.

There are many deathbed conversions. I suspect it happens in non-Catholic families too.

We have no idea if someone like Ted Kennedy confessed his sins and was forgiven as he was dying. I do remember a priest visiting him. That does not mean he has tons of reparation to make up in Purgatory.

Are you aware of non-Catholics for whom families have prayed to come back to Christ — that they do, indeed, convert on their deathbeds?

We’ll just have to let God be the judge.


24 posted on 03/10/2013 8:48:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

We can be pretty sure that Protestant blacks and hispanics voted for Obama in greater percentages than Catholic blacks and hispanics but, you know, it really doesn’t matter. It is the straw man that they want to put out there to put Catholics down. You know, splinter/log.

I am very happy that so many of you freeper Catholics fight the good fight everyday but I have resorted to prayer. We know the Church will suffer, we know trusted people will betray her, we know that people who hate the Church will try to destroy it, we know that will never happen, God is in charge and will remain so for eternity.

God has given many of the Catholics on this forum great gifts of knowledge and I am so grateful to God for them but I know my limits. I have an atheist brother who tries to argue with me but I know that I can never really win an argument with him. He could come out bloody and broken looking like a total fool and a jackass and would declare himself the winner.

What I do try to do is always live like a good Catholic Christian.


25 posted on 03/10/2013 11:04:31 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Salvation
Like most groups, they vote as a “tribe”. What is interesting is that black Protestants and Catholics are more opposed to gay marriage if it is listed as a separate line item than their white counter parts. But they are more likely to vote for Democrats because that is viewed as their party.

The trick is to get gay marriage to be a separate line item on the ballot.

26 posted on 03/11/2013 5:18:22 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only ‘Catholic’ voters for homosexual ‘marriage’ are the ones who focus on “Social Justice” issues, and can’t be bothered with all those silly rules about sex and abortion, and stuff like that.


27 posted on 03/11/2013 4:56:07 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SeekAndFind

The breakdown is pretty illustrative of exactly how serious these Catholics are who are supportive of homosexual marriage. The answer is ‘not very’.


28 posted on 03/11/2013 5:01:11 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Salvation
I do not see where i have argued against the possibility of death bed conversions, which happens and i hope for many, but as you know i disagree with the purgatory possibility.
29 posted on 03/11/2013 7:02:37 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Salvation
I do not see where i have argued against the possibility of death bed conversions, which happens and i hope for many, but as you know i disagree with the purgatory possibility.
30 posted on 03/11/2013 7:02:38 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: SeekAndFind; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican

I smell feces, check that faeces. The British way of spelling it looks stinkier.


31 posted on 03/11/2013 10:57:43 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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