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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Oh, yes, Mormons have horns - especially the Mormon Tabernacle Choir members.

The anti-MormonISM crowd on this site never miss an opportunity to condemn Mormons to hell. It’s Heaven or Hell, right? So according to their logic, all of us Mormons are going straight to hell - not to mention every other person who ever lived who doesn’t/didn’t believe exactly as they (the holier-than-thou crowd) believe.

Can’t you guys ever give it a rest? So much garbage.


31 posted on 03/16/2013 3:33:48 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: District13

Oh, yes, Mormons have horns - especially the Mormon Tabernacle Choir members.

The anti-MormonISM crowd on this site never miss an opportunity to condemn Mormons to hell. It’s Heaven or Hell, right? So according to their logic, all of us Mormons are going straight to hell - not to mention every other person who ever lived who doesn’t/didn’t believe exactly as they (the holier-than-thou crowd) believe.

Can’t you guys ever give it a rest? So much garbage.”


Indeed, those who do not confess Jesus Christ are condemned already.

Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Damnation is real, permanent, and filled with perpetual suffering and torment.

Mar 9:43-44 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (44) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Therefore, the Mormon denial of the biblical hell, is nothing less than a dangerous falsehood.

Furthermore, those who preach a different Gospel than what was delivered to the Apostles are accursed:

Gal 1:7-9 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Repent, or else, give the garbage a rest.


32 posted on 03/16/2013 3:43:24 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: District13; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
So according to their logic, all of us Mormons are going straight to hell - not to mention every other person who ever lived who doesn’t/didn’t believe exactly as they (the holier-than-thou crowd) believe.

(He said, holier-than-thou-like)

(Sorry, but the Lord hasn't assigned us hell roll call duty...Besides, some Mormons make it out of LegalisticVille)

33 posted on 03/16/2013 5:08:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: District13
The anti-MormonISM crowd on this site never miss an opportunity to condemn Mormons to hell.

Oh NO!

You are confused!!

The #2 Living Prophet: Brigham Young is the one to do THAT!!!




"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

34 posted on 03/16/2013 5:22:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
Can’t you guys ever give it a rest? So much garbage.

Ma'am; why do you call our holy book quotes GARBAGE?

And as for resting?

We are young and just FULL of energy!

35 posted on 03/16/2013 5:24:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
The anti-MormonISM crowd on this site never miss an opportunity to condemn Mormons to hell.

You are confused!

It is the leadership of MORMONism, Inc. that is doing all the 'condemning'!!

What do you think of THESE quotes?

Do you agree with or repudiate them?



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

36 posted on 03/16/2013 5:27:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13; Saundra Duffy; Elsie; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
The anti-MormonISM crowd on this site never miss an opportunity to condemn Mormons to hell. It’s Heaven or Hell, right? So according to their logic, all of us Mormons are going straight to hell - not to mention every other person who ever lived who doesn’t/didn’t believe exactly as they (the holier-than-thou crowd) believe.

What are you - a Mormon reincarnation of Saundra Duffy?

This used to be Saundra's constant "line" back in the latter part of 2011...tho when challenged as to specifics, she seemed to be at a loss for who had forecasted she would wind up in hell.

Here's how I finally responded to this Mormon tactic:

ALL: Of all of Saundra's posting tactics, this is one of her most common. She will mention in some fashion how a poster is condemning her and other Mormons to hell.

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son…36Whoever believes in the Son HAS eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." (John 3:17-18, 36)

Did you see that phrase ”stands condemned already” in John 3:18?

...Now tell me you’re different from the other Mormons I’ve encountered – the ones I’ve talked with who assume nobody except some rare apostates are under condemnation. Go, ahead, tell me you’re different than they are. Don’t you understand that according to John 3:18, people who don’t believe in the ”one and ONLY Son” (which excludes those who believe that Jesus is one “elder brother Son among MANY”) ”stand condemned already?” And, of course, that condemnation includes God’s existing wrath remaining on him/her.

(If you don’t like what Jesus said in John 3:18,36 take it up with Jesus!)

No matter what, Sandy, God’s wrath and condemnation is unleashed upon the sin of us all. Either 
(a) Jesus’ stint on the cross absorbs it on our behalf; or 
(b) For those who want to work their way to high degrees of glory, or slouch their away along – doesn’t matter – the sin will remain in their own lap. What a sorry thought that is has it goes through my mind.

[To which I was told: There you go again . . . condemning people to damnation and hell…]

As I said above, I just cited John 3:36. How would that be any different than a Mormon citing Mosiah 2:38-39; 3:19 or Alma 42:16 from the Book of Mormon?

“For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord…” Mosiah 3:19 -- which, BTW, was supposedly written in B.C. 124 … how convenient for such explicit words such as the Greek word, Christ, and the word Tyndale made up late in the 13th century – “atonement” to show up on a gold plate in B.C. 124 before there was a tremendous amount of discussion about “enticings of the Holy Spirit,” “saints,” and “atonement” and “Christ the Lord.”

“Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an enemy to God, and the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively sense of his own guilt, which doth cause him to shrink from the presence of the Lord, and doth fill his breast with guilt and pain, and anguish, which is like an unquenchable fire, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever. And now I say unto you, that mercy hath no claim on that man; therefore his final doom is to endure a never-ending torment.”(Mosiah 2:38-39)

”Now, repentance could not come unto men except there were a punishment, which also was eternal as the life of the soul should be…” (Alma 42:16, Book of Mormon)

“…the fall had brought upon all mankind a spiritual death as well as a temporal, that is, they were cut off from the presence of the Lord…” (Alma 42:9, Book of Mormon)

“For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord…” Mosiah 3:19

Cont'd next post... 

37 posted on 03/16/2013 6:32:56 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: District13; Saundra Duffy; Elsie; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
The anti-MormonISM crowd on this site never miss an opportunity to condemn Mormons to hell. It’s Heaven or Hell, right? So according to their logic, all of us Mormons are going straight to hell - not to mention every other person who ever lived who doesn’t/didn’t believe exactly as they (the holier-than-thou crowd) believe.

May I suggest to you, ALL, a way you can respond to District13 -- or any Mormon -- each and every time she/they mention[s] something along these lines?

Let's say you are talking with a Mormon and she/he says:

JOE MORMON: "Why do you condemn me to hell?"
N. CHRISTIAN: "You believe in three degrees of glory, do you not?"
JOE MORMON: "You know I do."
N. CHRISTIAN: "And don't you therefore believe, that Jesus can reside in two of these three glories?"
JOE MORMON: "You know I do."
N. CHRISTIAN: "And how many of these glories does Heavenly Father reside in?"
JOE MORMON: "One. The celestial one."
N. CHRISTIAN: "Do Christians get to reside there?"
JOE MORMON. "No. Only members of the church of the Firstborn do."
N. CHRISTIAN: "And Christian churches. Do Mormon leaders regard them as part of the 'church of the firstborn?'"
JOE MORMON: "Uh, no. 'Fraid not. But, you'll still be saved. Just a different degree of glory."
N. CHRISTIAN: "And so you're telling me that 'salvation' in your eyes includes NEVER being reconciled to Heavenly Father? NEVER, EVER able to live in His Presence again = 'salvation'...equals 'heaven' to you??? REALLY???"
JOE MORMON (now looking for a place to hide, in a stumble-mumble): "Uh...Uh...Uh..."
N. CHRISTIAN: "Let me go 'on the record' here to make myself 'perfectly clear': Whatever you regard as part of the afterlife that excludes the Presence of Heavenly Father, you can take that Mormon ghettoized false-gospel of yours and you can shove it to hell where it belongs! If you consider a Heavenly Fatherless 'heaven' to be 'heaven,' I don't want it! If you consider a Heavenly Fatherless 'heaven' to be FUTURE ETERNAL 'salvation,' then that ain't it!"
N. CHRISTIAN (continuing): "You, Joe Mormon! You of all people! One who believes that EACH of us was spirit-born to Heavenly Father in the pre-existence. And who desires for us to be reconciled to Him. You, who puts such emphasis on the divine family! You actually deem it to be a 'family reunion' when the 'family reunion' excludes the ULTIMATE PATRIARCH of the Family! Wow! How offensive can your false gospel get???!!!" 

38 posted on 03/16/2013 6:35:50 PM PDT by Colofornian
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