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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

As a Catholic, we believe that all Christian based religions will allow for eternal life
as long as you accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

I have respect for the Baptist Faith, just as I do for Lutheranism, Anglica, etc.

But history is cannot be changed to follow our beliefs.

There has been a Pope in place ever since Peter, one after another all the way up until the one just elected. And it all started with Peter as the first Pope after Jesus started the Church with Peter.

All other Christian denominations spawned off Catholicism... that is a fact and that is history my friend.

Why is it that nobody on the face of the earth can provide the name of the person or group that started Catholicism?


24 posted on 03/16/2013 1:01:14 PM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: neverbluffer

Funny how you keep taking passages that substantiate your claim, but you dont take the very passage about Christ establishing Peter as the rock of the Church which was the founding of the Catholic Church?

What time is it where you are by the way?


25 posted on 03/16/2013 1:03:49 PM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: neverbluffer

“As a Catholic, we believe that all Christian based religions will allow for eternal life
as long as you accept Jesus Christ as your savior”


As a Christian, I charge that any religion that preaches a different Gospel than Jesus Christ is an enemy of the Gospel. I cannot join together with other “churches” that do this.

“There has been a Pope in place ever since Peter, one after another all the way up until the one just elected. And it all started with Peter as the first Pope after Jesus started the Church with Peter.”


The Rock upon which the church is built is the confession of Jesus Christ. All Christians are “stones,” and priests and saints of the true church, which is Christ’s body, with Christ as the chief cornerstone.

1Pe 2:5-6 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (6) Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

Peter never, in any of his epistles, calls himself the Rock upon which the church is built, or refers to himself as anything more than an Apostle of Jesus Christ, just as Paul and the others called themselves. In fact, Paul even rebuked Peter when he was in error. Not as an inferior having respect for a Pope, but as an equal.

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

This doctrine of Papal primacy, universal Bishop as the “head” of the church, is one that came later.

Ignatius, writing sometime before his death between 97 and 115AD, listed the highest tier of the church as the Bishop. He never mentions any higher tiers.

“Pope” Gregory the first, more than 400 years later, who asserted Peter was the First of the Apostles, nevertheless denied the title of the Universal Bishop (though the one who came right after him petitioned the Emperor that he should take the title), and asserted that the See of Peter was made up of three locations.

“But I confidently say, that whosoever calls himself universal bishop, or desires to be called so, in his pride is the forerunner of antichrist, because in his pride he prefers himself to the rest. And he is conducted to error with a similar pride; for as that wicked one wishes to appear a God above all men, so whosoever he is who alone desires to be called a bishop, extols himself above all other bishops.” — To Mauritius Augustus.

St. Peter’s Primacy descended to three Bishopricks, Alexandria, Antioch, and Rome.

“Whereas there were many apostles, yet for the principality itself, one only see of the apostles prevailed, in authority, which is of one, but in three places. For he elevated the see in which he condescended to rest, and to finish his present life. He decorated the see, to which he sent his disciple the evangelist, and he established the see, in which, although he intended to leave it, he sat for seven years. Since there fore the see is of one and is one, over which three bishops preside by divine authority, whatsoever good I hear of you, I ascribe to myself. And if you hear any good of me, number it among your merits, be- cause we are all one in him who says, that all should be one, as thou, O Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they may be one in us. — In the Eulogy’ to the Bishop of Alexandria

Theodoret references the same belief when he places the “throne of Peter” under the Bishop of Antioch:

“Dioscorus, however, refuses to abide by these decisions; he is turning the See of the blessed Mark upside down; and these things he does though he perfectly well knows that the Antiochene (of Antioch) metropolis possesses the throne of the great Peter, who was teacher of the blessed Mark, and first and coryphæus (head of the choir) of the chorus of the apostles.” Theodoret - Letter LXXXVI - To Flavianus, Bishop of Constantinople.

Ultimately, what authority does a church have when it has fallen so far from the word of God?


29 posted on 03/16/2013 1:30:47 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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