[RobbyS]

It is Catholic doctrine that the Church is the baptized. What Trent condemns is essentially novelties in doctrine which divide the Church. That is what heresies are. Now as far as the Apostle Creed is concerned, the problem is how much authority is placed in the creed, and of course in the interpretation of its articles. The Lutherans, the Calvinists, and the Baptists all claim to be the Catholic Church, that the Church of Rome apostatized and therefore they do not owe it obedience. The Council of Trent said, no, YOU who say this are the apostates. Religious freedom in the modern sense, which has it that NO ONE has to the right to say how a true Christian is to behave, was a doctrine held by no one. Still is’t, by “orthodox” Christians of every persuasion. It amounts to nothing more than polytheism in a new guise. Doesn’t bother me to hear someone called my faith a “cult.” At least they have definite ideas and believe in the law of non-contradiction.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: It is Catholic doctrine that the Church is the baptized.

So, why are those who are not baptized in the Roman Catholic Church considered “united with Christ” by Vatican II?

RE: What Trent condemns is essentially novelties in doctrine which divide the Church.

OK, not recognizing the Pope as Primate is a novelty according to Trent right? Then why are those who believe in this “novelty” now considered “United with Christ” by Vatican II?

Makes no sense.

RE: The Lutherans, the Calvinists, and the Baptists all claim to be the Catholic Church,

Correction, the The Lutherans, the Calvinists, and the Baptists all claim to be MEMBERS of the Catholic ( as in Universal ) church. They recognize each other as members as well and include ALL who by grace through faith in Christ ( regardless of which denomination they belong to ) as members of the catholic church.

The question they will ask of ANY PERSON ( regardless of denomination ) is this -— DO YOU CONFESS JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOR ? If the answer is “yes”, then they are recongized to be part of the catholic church.

If you don’t believe me, ask any pastor of any of these denominations.

RE: The Council of Trent said, no, YOU who say this are the apostates

Which of course begs the question -— IN WHAT SENSE ARE THEY UNITED WITH CHRIST according to Vatican II?

An apostate cannot be united with Christ can he?

So, You can’t have both Vatican II and Trent or Vatican I simultaneously be correct on this issue. So, which one prevails?