I got your Anti-Christ right here genius.
Luther is spinning in his grave and begging forgiveness for the evil he unleashed.
Posted on 03/18/2013 5:39:54 PM PDT by Steelfish
Name a heresy of Protestantism.
Non-Belief in Eucharist; Confession, Mass; Saints; ………
Any Christian belief outside the Church is heresy and this claim is compelling made in Hillaire Belloc’s book Heresies. It may be useful to try reading it. Or even better consult the leading Lutheran theologians as well as a former Chief Rabbi of Rome who converted to Catholicism and one of Italy’s leading Islamic Journalists. And add to this leading atheist bloggers:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/22/prominent-atheist-blogger-converts-to-catholicism/
Actually, the list of leading converts from every other walk of religious tradition is too numerous to mention. These folks did NOT have a closed mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Catholicism
I have taken communion, at home.
...Confession,...
I confess to no man, it's none of their business. Confession should only be to God unless it directly affects another man or woman.
...Mass;...
I take communion at home.
...Saints; ………
I don't pray to saints, they can't hear me, and besides only God should be prayed to.
Any Christian belief outside the Church is heresy...
So John 3:16 doesn't matter?
... and this claim is compelling made in Hillaire Belloc’s book Heresies. It may be useful to try reading it. Or even better consult the leading Lutheran theologians as well as a former Chief Rabbi of Rome who converted to Catholicism and one of Italy’s leading Islamic Journalists. And add to this leading atheist bloggers:
How about if I just read the bible.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/22/prominent-atheist-blogger-converts-to-catholicism/ Actually, the list of leading converts from every other walk of religious tradition is too numerous to mention. These folks did NOT have a closed mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Catholicism
If I had a closed mind I wouldn't be a Christian. Also there is Revelation 18:4:
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
I know the Catholic laity are God's people along with the Protestant laity, unlike some Catholics who say if a person doesn't go to a Catholic Church that person is going to hell.
I saw the pope purged a conservative cardinal yesterday. At what point can a pope be declared an antipope? Are Catholics obliged to follow this pope until he leads them off a cliff? No need to partake of her plagues, come out of her.
Of course, its seems the old saw at work again where each man looks at the Bible and invents his own religion a la Rev.Wright, Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Rev. Schuller.
How true Belloc’s observation that Protestantism spawned a “cluster” of heresies.
You're not phasing me by continually using the word "heresies". Catholics go against the teaching of the bible every time they call a priest "father', put their graven images in their Cathedrals, pray to saints, etc. Being a Protestant, I don't accuse others of being heretics because only God knows the heart. But I do know when someone commits an act that the bible teaches against. Now if that elevates a person to be a heretic, only God knows.
Some good has come of our conversation. Been doing some studying on Peter and now I'm of the opinion he was never in Rome. I'm thinking you guys have mistaken the Samaritan Simon (Simon Magus) of Acts with Simon Peter (or Simon Cephas). Simon Magus did try to buy an Apostleship and Peter himself rebuked him. Simon Magus did go to Rome just after that and was perhaps known as Simon Pater, "pater" being a Roman word for a certain man of high standing, and now Catholics mistake him for Simon Peter. Have you looked into the book of Acts to consider what happened between Peter and Simon Magus and the results thereof?
I can’t answer for other Catholics, but I believe all who accept Jesus as their savior will be welcomed into the Kingdom of God. I am inclusive of all believers and it troubles me deeply during a time when many Christians of all stripes are being persecuted while we battle with each other over doctrine. While doctrine is important, it is not as important as faith. Pope John Paul II himself even said as much. However, that doesn’t mean doctrine is unimportant.
Pope Francis: Peter and Paul homily (full text)
The Primacy of Peter and the Primacy of Love: 3rd Sunday of Easter
11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
The Primacy of Peter
On St. Peter's Imprisonment and Miraculous Release
The Twelve Apostles of the Catholic Church: St. Peter [Catholic Caucus]
Church Authority Doesn't "Peter" Out
Radio Replies Second Volume - St. Peter in Rome
Did Peter Have a Successor?
St. Peter and the Primacy of Rome
SAINT PETER'S CHAINS (44 A.D.)
Heart of the Church (St. Peter in Words and Stone)
A Saint for the Rest of Us
On This Rock
WAS ST. PETER IN ROME?
St. Peter and Rome
Did the Apostle Peter Ever Visit Rome?
Occasionally Naive and Fearful, Yet Honest and Capable of Repentance (Profile of St. Peter)
Saint Peter As Seen by His Successor (extraordinary document from B16 on his preaching and papacy)
HOMILIES PREACHED BY FATHER ALTIER ON THE FEAST OF SAINTS PETER AND PAUL
Peter, Witness of the Resurrection (Papal preparations for Easter 2006)
The Fraternal Society of St. Peter on EWTN
The Primacy of Peter
Saint Peter and the Vatican, the Legacy of the Popes
Saint Peter and The Vatican - Legacy of the Popes
John, chapter 21
The Appearance to the Seven Disciples.
1* After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way.a 2Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee’s sons,* and two others of his disciples. 3* Simon Peter said to them, “I am going fishing.” They said to him, “We also will come with you.” So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.b 4When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.c 5Jesus said to them, “Children, have you caught anything to eat?” They answered him, “No.”d 6So he said to them, “Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something.” So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. 7So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord.” When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. 8The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish. 9* e When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. 10Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you just caught.” 11So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three* large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn.f 12Jesus said to them, “Come, have breakfast.” And none of the disciples dared to ask him,* “Who are you?” because they realized it was the Lord. 13Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner the fish.g 14* This was now the third timeh Jesus was revealed to his disciples after being raised from the dead.
Jesus and Peter.*
15When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter,* “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?”* He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” 16He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” 17He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” [Jesus] said to him, “Feed my sheep.i 18* Amen, amen, I say to you,j when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” 19He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, “Follow me.”
I got your Anti-Christ right here genius.
Luther is spinning in his grave and begging forgiveness for the evil he unleashed.
I’m still not seeing any repenting. Peter didn’t have anything to repent for, Jesus asked if he loved him and Peter said “Yes”. Why do you think he had to repent?
I don't care about Luther, except that I admire him for making Jesus his king rather than another man. Luther was a sinner like everyone else who has walked in the flesh except Jesus.
We'll know soon enough which way is correct (not trying to harden your heart).
It's not too late to come out of Mystery Babylon. Read the bible and make sure you've got the basics right on how to get through this without falling for the antiChrist.
Too sophomoric.
“Go against the Bible”? Where do you get this stuff from when the Church itself authorized the writings you and Protestants call the Bible.
“You Guys have Mistaken” Right! Like hundreds of noted theological scholars including leading Lutheran (Richard Neuhaus) and Anglican (Henry Newman) theologians who ended up converting to Catholicism.
I get it from the bible. I don't follow the traditions of man. Don't call another man "father" (religiously):
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
No graven images:
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images
No praying to saints:
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
“You Guys have Mistaken” Right! Like hundreds of noted theological scholars including leading Lutheran (Richard Neuhaus) and Anglican (Henry Newman) theologians who ended up converting to Catholicism.
You act as if you name names that will change my mind. The only thing that changes my mind is verses from the bible.
My bible came through Antioch, not Alexandria.
Try reading this- from a Protestant convert.
http://www.ewtnreligiouscatalogue.com/edp_no=8781/shop.axd/ProductDetails
Can’t you read beyond the literal words? Study, please.
In the words that Peter says about loving Christ — several ways — study the Greek — he repents.
The Christ tells him to tend his sheep, feed his sheep, feed his lambs — in other words, Christ makes Peter the leader of the apostles and the Catholic Church right there in the Bible.
Study what? If the Greek says something different from "Do you love me?, Yes I do.", then tell me what it says.
The Christ tells him to tend his sheep, feed his sheep, feed his lambs — in other words, Christ makes Peter the leader of the apostles and the Catholic Church right there in the Bible.
It does? All the apostles were to feed the sheep and the lambs. Christ is the rock, Peter was just a stone off that rock, as was the rest of the apostles.
I don't even think Peter went to Rome. What's your evidence Peter went to Rome? Paul never mentions Peter being there. Paul went to Rome and the few Jews that were there said that they've never talked to a Christian before, and that was supposedly after Peter should have been there 10 years. I think Peter went to the tribes of Israel as he was instructed to do, in Jerusalem and Babylon, and Paul went to the gentiles, as he was instructed to do, in Rome. I think you guys have the whole thing mixed up.
Are you sure that wasn't Simon Magus, who was rebuked by Peter for trying to buy an Apostleship, that went to Rome and called himself "Simon Pater"? If you find that its been Simon Pater that you've been venerating all your life rather than Simon Peter, are you still going to claim Simon Peter is king? Remember Satan's MO, take the truth and change it slightly to confuse people, that's what Simon Magus did.
How many times do I have to tell you, I only pay attention to the bible. Show me bible verses.
Ty reading it- He both shows and explains to you what you call “Bible verses” book compiled by the Catholic Church. It did not fall form the skies Many writing were discarded as inauthentic and others supported by the “oral” tradition were included. This is why Catholicism is not for low-informtion Christians.
Now, if you are really, really open-minded, go spend a whole day carefully reading this:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/scriptur/solascri.txt
Again, my bible is from Antioch, not Alexandria, purified 7 times like God says.
Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
1. Tyndale's,
2. Matthew's,
3. Coverdale's,
4. the Great Bible (printed by Whitechurch),
5. the Geneva Bible,
6. the Bishops' Bible,
7. and the King James Bible.
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