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To: Rashputin

Nobody is denying our Lord Christ Jesus.

Scripture is used to communicate the Word of God, which is then used by God the Holy Spirit to sanctify the believer.

Jesus Christ never authorized the Apocrypha, nor were they given in the Hebrew Canon, nor were they considered a part of the Canon by earlier Catholic Councils. They were not written by Prophets, so they are not the Word of God. If one were to be consistent, then a countercharge could be leveled that anybody adding the Apochypha to Scripture is heretical.

As believers through faith in Christ we all are part of His Royal Priesthood. It is heretical to imply believers are not part of that Royal Family.


59 posted on 03/20/2013 7:38:49 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
Well then, “this is my body” means what it says because it is a straight forward statement of fact by Christ Himself.

Christ wasn't being figurative when He was describing what He was doing as He did it, it's that simple. So what's this about not denying Jesus Christ? Does that mean someone who doesn't deny Him is free to essentially call Him a liar by trying to find a different meaning for whatever Jesus Christ says that they don't like? How can someone completely ignore, deny, or try to alter the meaning of what Jesus Christ Himself said, things that refute Once Saved Always Saved, that refute Scripture Alone, and that refute Faith Alone, but say they don't deny Him? Approve the Apocrypha? The Scripture Alone crowd bear the burden of showing where Christ or the Apostles ever even implied there were portions of Scripture in use that were not the inspired Word of God. There are three possibilities. One, that there's a list of what should be in the canon that the Holy Spirit did not protect and did not have passed along (which would make Jesus Christ a liar), there were books included in the Scriptures in common use that were not inspired but Scripture isn't important enough for Christ to point that out, or, Scripture Alone is a joke and a very poor joke at that.

Without the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Jesus Christ Himself founded to establish the canon based on what the Apostles passed down orally there wouldn't be the Bible as we know it. There would be tens of thousands of Bibles just like there are tens of thousands of denominations. Scripture Alone dissolves into Self Alone in very, very, short order. Usually as soon as there's something someone wants the Scripture to condone like infanticide by abortafacient contraceptive or premarital chastity not being any big deal.

So, if one were consistent, if they insist on throwing out the Apocrypha because the Jews did after Jerusalem was destroyed, they'd throw out the New Testament that the Jews don't accept as well. Either the Jews retained authority over the Scripture or they didn't. If they did, there goes the New Testament, and if they didn't there isn't even a shadow of an reason to throw out the Apocrypha that Christ never criticized but did quote. Lack of consistency is actually one of the many huge beams in the eyes of the Self Alone folks, not in the eye of the Catholic Church.

As believers through faith, Christians accept what Scripture says when it says to obey your prelates. They accept what Scripture says about each one having a role and no one being the entire body. They accept the hierarchy of authority clearly created by the Apostles in the New Testament and they accept that just like Moses had a chair, Peter had a chair and like the chair of Moses, that authority is passed down through future generations. They accept that they are not the head of the body free to determine all things with no direction from the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Jesus Christ Himself founded to provide His sheep with shepherds and instruction. That's faith in Christ and His Word. Anything else is part of the strong delusion of SELF ALONE because it imitates Eve, not Christ.

60 posted on 03/20/2013 8:31:43 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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