Posted on 03/26/2013 6:56:09 AM PDT by NYer
Thank you.
I’ve noticed that. Muslims not only get a pass that other non-Catholics don’t get, but they are warmly welcomed by Catholic hierarchy.
Pretty telling, isn’t it?
I am most certainly trying to twist anything around. I’m trying to show you the inconsistency in your thinking. You say you agree that God’s existence does not depend on our belief.. but then you say, “but, of course, I can only speak for myself.” Can’t you see the incoherence here?
sorry, Stuart. I meant to say, “I am most certainly NOT trying to twist anything around.”
Baloney. God is not inn each one of us. He’s only in those who are His children by faith in Him.
If you want a relationship with God,you have to do it His way and that’s found inn Scripture.
You can choose to believe it or not, but it cannot be twisted to accommodate whatever particular beliefs you want to have.
You have to do it God’s way, which means submitting to HIM.
We have raised a generation who , as has been said,...
“Listen with their eyes” and “Thinks with it's feelings”.
But...They have a strong instinct to follow a leader. Mindless “sheep” who have lost the ability to think, and will follow a leader off a cliff.
I don't think he wants to. He seems to be a classic narcissist. He cannot conceive of anything (literally) outside himself. I'm beginning to suspect he doesn't even believe we exist.
Either that, or "he's" someone's Turing experiment.
And there we have it in a nutshell.
You're wrong and no amount of weaseling and evasion and questioning and rationalization will change that.
In order for you to be saved, you are going to have to do what you've been fighting all these years on FR, that there is a God, that He doesn't change, that there are moral absolutes, that you do have to answer to Him for the decisions you make that don''t line up with His.
Man's rejection of God is always based on moral objections.
God’s moral code is the same for all humanity for all time.
It’s not situational ethics,one thing for pone person at one time and something different somewhere or sometime else.
He set forth His moral code in Scripture. You have no choice about what it is. You can only choose to obey it or not and pay the consequences.
If you’re looking for justification of yourself based on some kind of moral relavitism, you aren’t going to find it from God.
‘How does it matter what form God takes in that person’s mind?”
”I do not believe there is a moral absolute that applies to everyone throughout history.”
”People’s actions are... measured by society,.... I believe their standards of morality are instilled in them by God...and judged by men.
“I have no way of proving to you what I believe.”
“I do not believe we establish our own moral code. I believe God establishes it in each of us as He sees fit.”.....”. No point of reference is required...(and again)...”I believe our moral code is instilled in us by God when He creates us..... To me, that means that what I do, is ok in my eyes and in God’s eyes.
“I dont test or measure my moral decisions.”....
“I’m accountable for all my actions here on earth, but I’ve never done anything that led me to believe that I would get in trouble with God.”
“For me, the conscience is the source for right or wrong.”
So Stuart.....comment on this perhaps?
Proverbs 26:12 Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
Proverbs 30:12 There are those who are fclean in their own eyes but are not washed of their filth.
No one is clean without Jesus cleaning him. Nobody is perfect or sinless and all it takes to condemn man is one sin
ALL have sinned. You are not right before God without the righteousness of Christ imputed to you. It doesn’t matter if you feel like you’re OK.
I do think possible some form of relativism and situational ethics would fall under what Stuart's been expressing is his belief system ....but I'm not so sure he understands that it might....he's been evasive about his source of defining right from wrong other than what his conscious seems to dictate....which isn't a bad thing if he's had good teaching about what is right and wrong.
I agree God has given all men His Moral code ,in the scriptures, and as much within each person when they are created...it is a gift to us, which unfortunately bad teaching along the way can disrupt and even squelch.. But for those who depend on only Conscious it can be destructive as conscious isn't infallible...it doesn't set the standard, it acts on some standard of teaching along the way.
It would be interesting to know what Stuart's upbringing was in the matter of faith, and or what he discovered along the way on his own.
Stuart....Care to enlighten those who are interested?
ok, thank you
Sorry, I’ve just never questioned my conscious.
No, sorry
Yes, I know
Yes, I follow the path that God has given me, thanks
ok, thank you
Heh.
You know, of course, that I could do an unseemly (albeit funny) thing to that phrase. I mention the fact purely for the purpose of informing you (and everyone) that I did not do so, and in fact abstained in each and every way. I do hope that in drawing your attention to that fact, that I may obtain some few points of credit for my abstention (by whichever credit system applies)for use at some future date (which will undoubtedly arrive), wherein my erudite sense of formality is overcome by my somewhat redneck tendencies in the field of humor.
Thank you for your time.
Please proceed forthwith.
Obviously, we think differently.
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