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Pope Francis: self-help courses can turn Catholics into Pelagians
Catholic Herald ^ | 3/28/2013

Posted on 03/28/2013 5:58:16 AM PDT by markomalley

Pope Francis has said in his Chrism Mass homily that self-help courses can turn Catholics into “Pelagians” who “minimise the power of grace”.

The Pope said at a Mass in St Peter’s Basilica attended by about 1,600 priests that “it is not in soul-searching or constant introspection that we encounter the Lord”.

He said: “Self-help courses can be useful in life, but to live by going from one course to another, from one method to another, leads us to become Pelagians and to minimise the power of grace, which comes alive and flourishes to the extent that we, in faith, go out and give ourselves and the Gospel to others.” The Pelagian heresy, popular in the fifth century, holds that people are capable of choosing good without the grace of God.

In his homily, Pope Francis urged priests to “go out” and to live “in the midst of their flock”. He said that, like the “anointed ones”, Isaiah, David and Christ, priests are anounted so that they, in turn, can anount the faithful.

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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

141 posted on 03/31/2013 12:53:59 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses
The snake handling n00b's 5 minutes are up!


142 posted on 03/31/2013 12:58:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: narses; Revolting cat!

Like I said, mockers who think that sticking their tongue at me can wash away the scriptures which oppose them, or mock to shame the ancient Augustine.

If this is the best the Romanists have to offer, it explains why they were unable to stop the reformation.


143 posted on 03/31/2013 1:03:20 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
You on the right or left?


144 posted on 03/31/2013 1:07:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: narses
Excuse me...but you just posted that same thing to myself previously on this thread, to which I had already offered some reply.

Since you may have not noticed, I will repeat here the most pertinent portions;

Mary most fundamentally ---Daughter of Israel. Ponder in your own heart & mind, what that means, bearing in mind all that transpired from Abraham, to the day Gabriel told her, "you will", not asking for permission at that time.

With Mary responding, in part;

She needed a Saviour as did the nation from which she herself sprang forth into life... and she knew it. That too, must be pondered, or else we err from the very moment of our beginnings of pondering, running risk of ranging far afield (thus far away) from all revelation given unto Israel through her prophets, including Christ Himself(!)

145 posted on 03/31/2013 1:22:52 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

146 posted on 03/31/2013 1:28:18 PM PDT by narses
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To: BlueDragon

147 posted on 03/31/2013 1:28:35 PM PDT by narses
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Sometimes words need not be wasted on clowns and their lengthy rants, when metaphors will suffice. That mud are your words on these threads.


148 posted on 03/31/2013 1:33:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: HarleyD
Exo 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

8. Because it is the highest honor, the greatest glory and the greatest utility to serve Mary and to be one of her household (familia). For to serve her is to reign, just as Boethius says of the Lord.

From here: 40 Reasons to Serve Mary

Can it be any clearer to us, or them???

149 posted on 03/31/2013 2:14:35 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Gene Eric
Exodus 20:2-5 is about serving other gods. Mary, who was not a god, but eventually the mother of Christ, was not the problem being addressed.

She became the problem being addressed...

150 posted on 03/31/2013 2:16:40 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

151 posted on 03/31/2013 2:54:24 PM PDT by narses
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To: EDINVA; Dutchboy88
What a shame you can't use a calender. I haven't even posted on this thread since Thursday and yet you hurdle false accusations at myself and Dutchboy!

What a tortured soul you must be! May God bless you, and ease the psychological and emotional pain you clearly suffer.

Repent!

152 posted on 03/31/2013 4:33:09 PM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: Iscool

Mary, the mother of Jesus, became the problem?

Firstly, Mary is not revered as a god, nor God. Secondly, no god is a problem for God as there are no other gods; ergo, Mary is not, and cannot be a problem for God.

The “problem” is recognizing and serving gods or any god that is not God.


153 posted on 03/31/2013 4:55:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: HarleyD

I understand your point. Thanks.


154 posted on 03/31/2013 5:07:13 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: narses

That’s what you post when you got nothing???


155 posted on 03/31/2013 5:43:11 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
What makes either of you think that I am all that concerned if you think that I behave as my very own Pope?

What indeed? Certainly, Pope GPH doesn't care what the 'little people' think of Him. He is, after all, Pope GPH.

I continue to laugh at the hypocrisy.

156 posted on 03/31/2013 6:08:39 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“I continue to laugh at the hypocrisy”


I continue to laugh at the illogical argumentation.

“I don’t like you being able to read the scripture and make arguments with it + ???? Therefore, you’re a hypocrite.”


157 posted on 03/31/2013 6:11:16 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Congratulations! You completely missed the point! You're not even on the paper.

I wonder if you realize just how completely clueless you seem, right now.

158 posted on 03/31/2013 6:13:58 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“I wonder if you realize just how completely clueless you seem, right now.”


Trust me, it’s all on you and your buddies posting the clown photos. Evidently we won the initial debate that attracted all you guys in the first place, so now you’re obsessed with lame irrelevant accusations.

I already challenged you to put up or shut up. You didn’t take. So I’ll take a victory lap.


159 posted on 03/31/2013 6:26:36 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Gamecock

Oh gee, Holy Thursday makes your warp more acceptable. Poor, pathetic souls.


160 posted on 03/31/2013 6:40:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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