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To: BlueDragon

It is your imagination, or maybe just your knowledge, that is lacking here, because Irenaeus was comparing Mary’s obedience with Eve’s disobedience. As for Jesus, we disagree. He was not man for a time,but for all time. He was and is, Mary’s sons and she, his mother.


102 posted on 03/30/2013 9:55:04 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
It is your imagination, or maybe just your knowledge, that is lacking here, because Irenaeus was comparing Mary’s obedience with Eve’s disobedience

But that's just it. It wasn't for Eve's disobedience, it was for Adam's, LIKE I SAID. Check the Hebrew OT scripture. Check what is said about the same by Paul in the NT. They don't mention Eve.

I see you won't touch a single thing of what I just told you, but instead call me ignorant. How convenient. But I'm obviously not ignorant, so the easy escape evaporates like a mirage...

No, the imaginings are not my own. Or you can prove your own assertions to the contrary. [but I know you won't...not from the scripture].

As for Jesus, we disagree. He was not man for a time,but for all time.

A "man" for all time? Like...even before His earthly Incarnation? Are you sure about that? I think the Word disagrees with that. Besides, He was never merely a man such as we (strictly created beings) for He was both fully man, and fully God during His Incarnation.

The "was and is Mary's son, and she his mother" business, with the hyper-inflation that is RC Marionism, alluding to Mary having god-like powers(!) could have been better avoided, if they had stuck more with the "god-bearer" limitation of description, or the "mother of the Incarnated Lord" (for he existed prior to his earthly incarnation, did He not?).

My "knowledge" isn't "lacking" for reason I'm not buying into RC claptrap concerning Mary, going far beyond scripture itself, and the early church itself.

It is for sake of my own knowledge, and that I am aware of the extra-biblical sources which first began to contribute to the hyper-inflation of her role as co-mediatrix, co-redeemer, etc, that makes me a tough customer, far beyond your own ability to cope with, or disprove.

In some instances, she is said to appear and direct people to "pray to her", or build churches "dedicated to her sacred heart", etc.

That sort of things is so distant from the Judeo portion of the Judeo-Christian construct, it would be laughable if it were not so blasphemous (to the one true God).

103 posted on 03/30/2013 11:37:01 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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