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To: Dutchboy88
You might want to look into that.

PELAGIANISM

Heretical teaching on grace of Pelagius (355-425), the English or Irish lay monk who first propagated his views in Rome in the time of Pope Anastasius (reigned 399-401). He was scandalized at St. Augustine's teaching on the need for grace to remain chaste, arguing that this imperiled man's use of his own free will. Pelagius wrote and spoke extensively and was several times condemned by Church councils during his lifetime, notably the Councils of Carthage and Mileve in 416, confirmed the following year by Pope Innocent I. Pelagius deceived the next Pope, Zozimus, who at first exonerated the heretic, but soon (418) retracted his decision. Pelagianism is a cluster of doctrinal errors, some of which have plagued the Church ever since. Its principal tenets are: 1. Adam would have died even if he had not sinned; 2. Adam's fall injured only himself and at worst affected his posterity by giving them a bad example; 3. newborn children are in the same condition as Adam before he fell; 4. mankind will not die because of Adam's sin or rise on the Last Day because of Christ's redemption; 5. the law of ancient Israel no less than the Gospel offers equal opportunity to reach heaven. As Pelagianism later developed, it totally denied the supernatural order and the necessity of grace for salvation.

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.

36 posted on 03/28/2013 11:45:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Alex Murphy
If you care to re-read my post, you will notice I said the Roman organization was Semi-pelagian already, and thus dragging it fully into Pelagianism would not be a stretch.

Semi-pelagianism, like Arminianism, allows that God's grace must operate on a man...but is operating on all men (common grace). Then, with this common (prevenient) grace at work, the man is given the choice to follow Christ or reject Christ. This "little island of righteousness", just a tiny atoll, is sufficient to grant the man enough wherewithal to accept or reject the grace needed to save. Although it was also condemned (centuries ago), it has become the theology de jure with Rome today. And now this errant doctrine is not just a problem with Rome...it has permeated much of the so-called Protestant movement.

46 posted on 03/28/2013 3:30:55 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Salvation; Dutchboy88
You might want to look into that.

Augustine stated the definition of a Pelagian and a Semi-Pelagian very well in his Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints. :

The Pelagian error wasn't just about God's grace to remain chasten, it was about God's divine grace to choose us for His kingdom and to give us His grace to substain us. If we understand God saves us, then as Augustine states, He saved us to do good works. We don't do good works because we are saved.

The Father works in all Christians to bring about His purpose. It is not dependent on us but on His will to lead us into paths of righteousness for His name sake. Some people might call this easy believability but so be it. He is our Great Shepherd. We don't run rampant on the hills. He guides and leads us. And when we stray we are comforted by knowing that He will take His rod and staff to us to keep us on target.

As Dutchboy rightfully points out, the Church is steeped in Semi-Pelagianism (as well as most of Protestantism).

WE WERE ELECTED AND PREDESTINATED, NOT BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO BE HOLY, BUT IN ORDER THAT WE MIGHT BE SO.-AUGUSTINE

82 posted on 03/29/2013 3:16:35 PM PDT by HarleyD
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