Posted on 03/30/2013 2:42:00 PM PDT by NYer
This list is from praytell for goodness sake. It’s like asking the democrat party chairman what the republicans are concerned about.
This is my take as well. I have to admit, I was (and remain) leery of a Pope who pays his own hotel bill and cancels his own newspaper subscription - doesn't he have more important things to do? To me such overt signs of regular guy-ness dredge up images of an incompetent Jimmy Carter. However, all this other stuff that RadTrads are getting worked up about don't bother me at all. I pray Pope Francis will be able to be a strong leader and not one who will be giving away the Catholic Panama Canal.
Just don’t forget to pray.
They only wear those for ceremonial duties. the rest of the time they have either a military uniform they wear or they dress like U. S> Secret service agents.
We like the uniforms. So do the Swiss Guards themselves. They only wear those for ceremonies and guard duty at a few places. Otherwise they wear plain clothes and blend it rather well.
I’d like to see you charge into a pike phalanx, no matter how they were dressed ;-).
I’m curious that so many seem to view them rather like Navy SEALs or the Israeli Mossad, an elite force, when the photos I’ve seen are pretty much teenaged boys, no sense of their being hardened or potentially lethal at all, they could be a marching band.
Is there a ceremonial group for the young and a defense group with older guards who have received extensive military training or something?
I’m obviously an outsider but that would unnerve me, seeing as how your Pope Francis appears to have become something of a polarizing figure fairly quickly. I don’t grasp all the uproar, the foot washing is a very appropriate, humbling gesture for a Christian in position of authority to me, so I approve of it. Then, there’s the whole Ann Barnhardt thing, I saw that thread, Catholics calling him satan for not genuflecting.
There’s cause for concern, imho. So, I hope you’re right.
All four are available IN SPANISH for ordering now.
The first two will be combined into one volume and will be available IN ENGLISH sometime in April.
Man, Ignatius Press moves fast!!
Me charging into a pike phalanx is nothing anyone needS to worry about, lol. Someone you might need to worry about isn’t going to do that either, though.
They’re Swiss. They’re tougher than you’re giving them credit for.
Ever look at the Secret Service agents who guard the U.S. President? A lot of them don’t look like much. All of them are willing to take a bullet for the president, however. That’s what counts.
They’re Swiss? What a coincidence, I have some Swiss ancestry too. Not Catholic, though. Moravian, from Canton Basel. Fled persecution, went more or less underground for decades on the estate of a sympathetic Count, eventually forced out there too, fled to Rotterdam, boarded a ship for the colony of Pennsylvania, then walked to North Carolina, arriving in 1753. Still here.
You wrote:
“They’re Swiss? What a coincidence, I have some Swiss ancestry too. Not Catholic, though.”
No, they were Catholic. Then they became something else.
“Moravian, from Canton Basel. Fled persecution, went more or less underground for decades on the estate of a sympathetic Count, eventually forced out there too, fled to Rotterdam, boarded a ship for the colony of Pennsylvania, then walked to North Carolina, arriving in 1753. Still here.”
It’s a shame they never discovered the truth. To suffer for a falsehood like Protestant sectarianism is so unnecessary and wasteful. If the Moravians had anything good, they started to lose it long before the time of Mary Matz.
Petunia’s not going to charge any pikemen; I don’t think that comes up even in Somalia!
As for the Swiss Guards, they’re not the Mossad or the SEALS, but they’re a trained, professional police force and bodyguards. Nobody is untouchable, but they’ll provide all reasonable security.
Pope Benedict was an easy client in recent years, because his health didn’t permit too much movement.
How nice. I should put my Spanish to the test. We could get “Puente de los asesinos,” too.
Still the same old Vlad I see, lol. Their persecution wasn’t always at the hands of the Catholic Church but it was invariably at the hands of a State Church. Appreciate that and maybe the claws won’t be coming out quite so often. No church is perfect, not even yours. A religion assuming the trappings and authority of a nation-state does create problems. History shows us this. So does the Bible.
you wrote:
“Their persecution wasn’t always at the hands of the Catholic Church but it was invariably at the hands of a State Church.”
Actually it would invariably be at the hands of the state if anything.
“No church is perfect, not even yours.”
The Church is without spot of wrinkle in all that matters - if you believe Jesus. The people in it? Far less than perfect.
I've always wondered why a small “sect” like the the Moravians are such an apparent bee in your bonnet, though. Does it have anything to do with their having Eastern Orthodox origins, suppressed by Hapsburg nobles installed by force at the direction of Rome?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravians_(religion)
That's a question for another time and another thread. Quite the inconvenient curiosity, that the first “Protestant” church predated Martin Luther by a considerable amount of time and arose via the Orthodox, isn't it?
You wrote:
“I’d love to debate with you Vlad but this honestly isn’t the thread for it.”
But then you’ll do it anyway, right?
“I’ve always wondered why a small “sect” like the the Moravians are such an apparent bee in your bonnet, though.”
I think you’re imagining things. There are no bees in my bonnet, and no bonnet as a matter of fact.
“Does it have anything to do with their having Eastern Orthodox origins, suppressed by Hapsburg nobles installed by force at the direction of Rome?”
The Moravians have no “Eastern Orthodox origins” - except perhaps in the mad ravings of modern revisionists. The Moravians have origins perhaps in the Hussites - who also have “Eastern Orthodox origins” but only in the minds of raving modern revisionists.
“That’s a question for another time and another thread. Quite the inconvenient curiosity, that the first “Protestant” church predated Martin Luther by a considerable amount of time and arose via the Orthodox, isn’t it?”
No, since it never happened. No Protestant church predates Luther for the following reasons:
1) None of them are “churches”. There are only sects among the Protestants.
2) The two ecclesial bodies, the two sects, among the Protestants today which predate the Protestants in any way are the Hussites and the Waldensians. Both groups went through such massive changes because of Protestant contacts that they have little or nothing to do with their pre-1517 ancestors. The Italian Waldensians, for instance, are Methodists today. The Hussites and their descendents abandoned their belief in Utraquism as a necessity of salvation.
3) Neither group had any connection with Eastern Orthodoxy. Such a connection is a modern invention. Such inventions are common among Protestants who lack any real history predating 1517. Thus, they have created a fraudulent history to salve their consciences. You can see this with Carroll’s Trail of Blood which is a completely ahistorical and unhistorical and imaginative product.
The Waldensians who left their historic home in the Cottian Alps for religious freedom in the late nineteenth century aren't. Their settlement is just up the road from me, about an hour away. Beautiful stone church. They obviously cherish it.
You wrote:
“The Waldensians who left their historic home in the Cottian Alps for religious freedom in the late nineteenth century aren’t.”
But they’re still Protestants nonetheless for they abandoned their own previous beliefs for Protestantism. Just read Euen Cameron’s The Reformation of the Heretics: The Waldenses of the Alps, 1480-1580 (Oxford Historical Monographs) to see what I’m talking about.
“Their settlement is just up the road from me, about an hour away. Beautiful stone church. They obviously cherish it.”
A shame they didn’t cherish more of their own beliefs dating back to the 12th century. Instead they threw them away just like they did orthodoxy.
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