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To: annalex

“u don’t just eat a memorial snack. St. Paul goes on to say:

he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. [30] Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep. (1 Cor. 11:29)”

I would not mock it as a memorial snack.

We read of the Last Supper (I read my Bible daily, I don’t know why the sarcastic “read your Bible once in a while” comment) - and Jesus took the bread and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, and said take, eat, this is my body. . . and afterwards he took the cup and said take, drink, this is my blood -

I’d like to point out that Jesus was sitting there breaking, pouring and serving, talking, and his body was intact; he was not physically being sacrificed at the Last Supper. His sacrifice was yet to be made.

I would not call the last supper event some sort of silly snack, it was the last meal Jesus ate with his disciples before his death. Nothing to make light of. And so He instituted the communion sacrament - and so we keep it until He returns.

The Body of Christ in palpable form was not in the bread and wine. The Body of Christ was physically serving it, see 1st Corinthians 11 (and other accounts if you prefer) to see for yourself.

Jesus is not being re-sacrificed. He is being remembered, and celebrated, and there is indeed a great danger in eating or drinking unworthily, not discerning the body of the Lord. What is it to discern the body of the Lord? A deep question.

To know Him; to know what He did; to take Him on in faith; to trust in Him; to be aware of what his sacrifice was.

But it does not mean that Jesus is being continually re-sacrificed for our sins. His death, one time, was sufficient to save us. Just as Adam’s sin, one time, was enough to damn us.

“This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” (1st Cor 11:25) In remembrance, indeed, and solemnly so. Not in re-sacrifice.


654 posted on 04/12/2013 8:40:34 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
I read my Bible daily, I don’t know why the sarcastic “read your Bible once in a while” comment

Because you read it and substitute meaning for what you have been trained to think about it. This is the essence of Protestantism: reading the Bible not for what it says but for some imaginary false theology that is not there, the theology invented in 16th century by some charlatans in Germany. In this case, you read a clear reference in 1 Cor. 11 of the Christ's sacrifice being really present in the Eucharistic bread and the cup and you substitute for it your ideas of "being remembered, and celebrated".

The Body of Christ in palpable form was not in the bread and wine

Your position is without biblical merit. At the Last Supper Jesus said two things: (1) this meal is His body and blood and (2) the disciples are to "do it in commemoration" of Him.

Now, because I am an authentic Catholic Christian and not a Protestant, I take the Bible very seriously and I believe what it says fully. If Jesus said that the bread and the wine were His body and blood then I believe Him and not you who decides in his own head that because "Jesus was sitting there breaking, pouring and serving, talking, and his body was intact", then therefore "[H]e was not physically being sacrificed at the Last Supper". Jesus was present and also His sacrifice, His body and His blood were present in the Last Supper meal. This is not the only time the Holy Eucharist is described as a necessary for salvation actual meal being at the same time His actual blood and flesh, see John 6, second half of the chapter.

And likewise if Jesus tells his disciples to "do it" then I take that part seriously also. I do not imagine that anyone eating a matzot and drinking grape juice is "doing it" while not believing himself it is His body and His blood and His Holy Sacrifice. I don't deny that you are commemorating Christ, but the entire meaning of the Last Supper you pervert. I think in order to "do it" one has to be properly consecrated priest by a bishop, who comes in the unbroken line of succession from the Holy Apostles (2 Timothy 1:6, Titus 1:5) and believes the Gospel as written (Luke 22:19, john 6:51ff): the Eucharist is THE saving sacrifice of the Cross.

Jesus is not being re-sacrificed.

Of course not. The Holy Mass is not a re-sacrifice. The Last Supper was not a pre-sacrifice. Every Holy Mass is THE same sacrifice, "as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice". St. Paul said this clarification for a reason, because he knew there will be people like you imagining re-sacrifices. Jesus worked the miracle of multiplication of loaves and fish (the first half of John 6) before He explained the miracle of the Holy Eucharist (in the second half of John 6) for the same reason: because he knew there will be people like you denying His power.

Be ashamed of the Protestant faith-killing rot and flee it if you wish to be saved.

655 posted on 04/13/2013 12:28:12 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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