Total Loss File: Prominent Episcopal Leader Denies Need for Bodily Resurrection of Jesus

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | April 3, 2013 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[smvoice]

I would just ask you, raygunfan, If the RCC is so vehement in her defense of the need for the Bodily REssurrection of Jesus, why doesn’t she take Jesus OFF her crosses, and preach the REASON the Resurrection is NECESSARY to believe? The Resurrection is of Christ is NECESSARY because it is God’s GUARANTEE to us that Christ’s death for ALL our sins were paid for, on the Cross. Otherwise, He would NOT have been justly able to raise Him from the dead. Even if there was ONE sin not fully paid for at Calvary, He would still be laying in the tomb, paying for our sins for us. SO....why does the RCC keep Him hanging on the Cross and why does she even bother to note the resurrection, if she doesn’t believe that we are saved the moment we trust in His FINISHED work on our behalf, not maybe, or someday. NOW.

[smvoice]

I'll tell you what I expected him to do when visiting...What God's Word tells ALL believers to do: PREACH THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. PREACH RECONCILIATION through the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST ON OUR BEHALF. PREACH THE WORD, BE INSTANT, IN SEASON, OUT OF SEASON. REPROVE, REBUKE, EXHORT WITH ALL LONGSUFFERING AND DOCTRINE.

but that's me...

[ShadowAce]

...any mainline protestant who wants to ‘come home’ to the church of Peter.

That's why I'll never be Catholic. I belong to the Church of Jesus.

[don-o]

Please do not waste keystrokes pinging me. Based on past performance,your contributions have no interest to me.

[Sergio]

bkmk

[stop_fascism]

If they would only go.

[windsorknot]

If one doesn’t believe that Christ was resurrected, one should be skeptical of the entire Gospels. What is the point of calling yourself a Christian at that point?

[Dutchboy88]

"Please do not waste keystrokes pinging me. Based on past performance,your contributions have no interest to me."

Got it...

[johngrace]

HUH?

"I would just ask you, raygunfan, If the RCC is so vehement in her defense of the need for the Bodily REssurrection of Jesus, why doesn’t she take Jesus OFF her crosses, and preach the REASON the Resurrection is NECESSARY to believe?""

HUH!!!!

What!!!!

Obviously you have a stumbling block.

1 CORINTHIANS - Chapter 1

23 "But we preach Christ CRUCIFIED (Thus Crucifixes in Churches), to the Jews a stumbling-block, and to the Gentiles, foolishness:

24 But to them that are called, both Jews, and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 For the foolishness of God, is wiser than men: and the weakness of God, is stronger than men."

We believe in the Universal Language that pictures speak a thousands word.

John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all things(Creation) to myself."

We will never deny Christ with our Crucifixes.

You may want to be a Stumpling block and a foolishness but not us.

What a foolish statement.

I pray the Peace and wisdom of Christ for you.

[Dutchboy88]

"So do you deny that there is wisdom to be found in Buddhist thought?"

Absolutely I deny that there is any wisdom to be found in pagan religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Confuciansim, Zoroastrianism, or any other "ism". If you would visit with those who have been freed into Jesus Christ, alone, you would realize these demonic cults are both deadly and wrong. To grant any "wisdom" to them is to legitimize (and thus participate in) their error.

"And who told you that the Catholic Church has abandoned the Bible?"

If you stick around here for a while you will get to read of the many forms Rome's abandonment of the Scriptures takes.

[Dutchboy88]

"I'll tell you what I expected him to do when visiting...What God's Word tells ALL believers to do: PREACH THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. PREACH RECONCILIATION through the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST ON OUR BEHALF. PREACH THE WORD, BE INSTANT, IN SEASON, OUT OF SEASON. REPROVE, REBUKE, EXHORT WITH ALL LONGSUFFERING AND DOCTRINE.

but that's me..."

Well, it would have been him, too, had he known this Gospel.

[EDINVA]

She gets some mighty fine digs by being the Episcopal bishop of Washington, DC. What has faith got to do with it?

[smvoice]

Sadly, you’re right. In order to SPREAD the Gospel, one must first KNOW the Gospel...

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

thanks for your post..I couldn’t even begin to respond.ha.

Hysterical anti-Catholics are on a real tear every Catholic thread. sometimes they just say something nasty in the name of their “truth”.

As I like to say to them..”Go in peace my child...just go.”

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Ha! the cross IS what it is about for us...To remind us of what he did for us and be grateful, and to remind us of our sinful nature that we need to repent and try to become more Christlike.

The cross was also the “secret “ sign among early Christians when they were persecuted. It identified Christians.

One of the most famous Christian preachers focused EVERY sermon on The Cross..Billy Graham ( btw, he wasn’t Catholic.)

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Well, guess then you didn’t like Billy Graham either who also gave “respect” to other people and did not confront them. He was pretty secure in his faith, preached his faith, but was able to interact with others not of his faith without screaming at them.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

You responded way better than me. Thanks for your post.

[smvoice]

..."to remind us of our sinful nature that we need to repent and try to become more Christlike."

Where's the Gospel of the Grace of God in that? It is completely missing. And worthless without the FINISHED work of Christ. That is what saves.

[smvoice]

And I’m supposed to be impressed, why? Billy Graham began the work of an evangelist, and preached the Word of God and the finished work of Christ for salvation. And then, over the years, he began to compromise. In order to “get along”, I guess. He’s not one I would hold up for kudos. Sorry.

[ottbmare]

The phenomenon fascinates me almost as much as it horrifies me. I was a Protestant myself until three years ago, and I had NO idea how much hatred there was for the Catholic Church and for Catholics. I never heard anything as vicious as I read on FR on a daily basis. When I was growing up, my devout (and very well-read) Protestant mother just explained that Catholics were Christians like us, but believed slightly different things; the point, she said, was “believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and ye shall be saved,” and clearly Catholics too believed in Christ, so no harm, no foul.