Posted on 04/10/2013 3:48:20 PM PDT by NYer
Good point, Tax-chick. People are taking a second look, and a first step? At least they’re going in the right direection.
Well, to some people it makes a difference. I remember the Polish people in Erie, PA going wild when Karol Wojtyla became Pope John Paul II in 1978. For some,just such a detail can be like the hinge on a door: just a very small thing, but it makes he whole thing swing open.
Did Christ lie?
St. Francis de Sales said: thatose who "give" scandal are murderers of souls. But those who "take" scandal are suicides.
If they pay attention (maybe if they go to a church where the priest’s homilies are, “This is what the Pope said over the last few days.”) they will hear things everyone needs ... about taking risks to share God’s love with others ... about making faith the first priority in life ... even about taking a look at yourself and knocking off the gossip. Any small step in the way of holiness and truth is the right step, even if it’s not made from the deepest motives.
God is calling everyone, and people start hearing for different reasons.
We cannot downplay Francis’s humility and being a servant.These are two of the biggest weaknesses of the clergy in my area of the country.The US clergy can learn a lot from the foreign clergy in these areas.
Maybe some of them think he’s going to ‘change the rules’ so that they’ll be OK with the Church, without changing anything about themselves. I think many are going to be terribly disappointed, and angry with their local priests thinking they’re not going along with the Pope, if they continue to support the Church’s teachings.
I think this article is a joke personally. These folks left the Church because of the teachings...you know, the ones THEY have the right answer to as opposed to the Church.
Um, well, the teachings haven’t changed (and won’t) so who are they fooling? Not me.
Eh, consider me skeptical and jaded, but I’m betting that the desire to return to the Church will be short-lived... as soon as the Pope starts pushing orthodoxy they’ll turn on him so fast it will make your head spin.
yeah when he holds the line on abortion he will lose my mom and when he holds the line on homosexuality he will lose my the friend of mine who hates Catholics but likes the new pope
What changed your mind?
“The Catholic Church doesn’t recognize divorce/remarriage in cases of adultery. Annulment (a finding of nullity) can be obtained only if the first marriage was actually for some reason invalid right from the start. For instance if one of the spouses never actually intended a lifelong, faithful, monogamous union.”
Of course, more importantly, God did allow divorce, and Christ and the Apostle Paul affirmed divorce in the case of adultery. All were recorded in the Spirit-breathed, Holy Scriptures.
“I used to be as dingbatty as any dingbat in this article.”
Not possible. You may have been. . . imperfect (aren’t we all anyway), but dingbatty? I doubt you were.
They may reject Pope Francis when he turns out to be (Surprise!) Catholic. But Our Lord knew that some of the seed sown would be lost, choked out, not ell rooted. You are still oliged to sow the seed and hope for the best, right?
I had a huge prejudice against the Church because I thought Catholics (and believers in general) were unthinking, unquestioning, unreflective, not adventurous freethinkers like myself. And the pro-life people were, to my mind, right-wing fanatics, or well-intentioned naive middle-class women who had always led comfortable lives and didn't know the Real World Situations that caused women to have abortions.
In other words, I had swallowed the stereotypes whole. Plus, I couldn't imagine being on the same side as Jesse Helms.
What turned me around was tha I met some of these believers and found them good thinkers, able to ask and answer questions, able to give an account for their faith; as well as realistic, good-hearted, genuinely committed to the well-being of women in crisis pregnancies, etc.
It was the patient good-will and reasonableness of the Capital C Catholics that turned me abound.
Hm. Three paragraphs here. Oh, the stories I could tell! Boy, I do go on...! :o)
Divorce was permitted in the Old Testament for any reason. However, the penalty for adultery (by a wife, not by a husband) was death.
Christ also did not permit divorce for adultery. The passage in Matthew misinterpreted to mean that does not use the Greek word for "adultery", but a different word, porneia (often translated "lewdness"). The implication is that people who are unlawfully married (due to consanguinity, for example) or simply "shacking up" are free to contract a real marriage.
Telling people they can get divorced and remarry if they commit adultery simply tempts them to commit a serious sin to get what they want, something Our Lord was not in the business of doing.
So what does Jesus mean when He says, "except in the cases of porneia"? A better understanding of the Greek is that it means "unlawful sexual union" --- i.e., that the supposed first marriage itself was porneia, unlawful.
That makes sense because (1) it's a more accurate translation, and (2) in the practical sense, Jesus could not have said that anyone who wants to get out of a marriage, just has to commit adultery, and then, voila, divorce is possible. This would positively reward people for adultery, by dissolving their marriage, which is what they wanted in the first place.
Besides, if adultery could dissolve a marriage, it would contradict what Jesus said about marriage being a bond which "no man can put asunder." If you can put it asunder just by going ahead and committing adultery, then every marriage is dissolvable, and rather easily at that.
Oh yes, I was dingbatty. I am just glad there are no videos available. It’s one thing I really dread about the General Judgment.
The "Spirit-filled, God-breathed" Holy Scriptures do, however, say that God "hates" divorce. (Malachi 2:16)
“The man (woman) who is in Christ Jesus is a new creation”, says St. Paul. :-)
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