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To: Mad Dawg
We Catholics DO think something like the “fullness” of the Church “subsists”among those in communion with the Holy See. But, while we loosely speak of “converts” the technically precise name for the act of a baptized person's “becoming a Catholic” is “being received into full communion.” It is quite wrong to say they ‘converted.’ If one can entertain the idea, “lex orandi lex credendi” then a good place to go for an experiential understanding of what we think would be the “solemn collects” of the Good Friday Liturgy. In them, as I like to say it, we pray that God will, so to speak “apply” the benefits of the Cross to all the world. So we pray for Catholics, for all Christians, for Jews, for theists, and for atheists, that grace will be shed on them. When I think of “the Church” in the broadest sense, I think of everyone we pray for on Good Friday.

In other words Catholics believe you have to be a Catholic to be saved but you also pray for all the heathens and hope they join the Catholic Church so they can become saved. Gee thanks.

108 posted on 04/23/2013 4:37:06 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

You can’t logically conclude that from what I said.


128 posted on 04/23/2013 5:14:10 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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