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To: Craftmore

Are you being sarcastic?

The women were witnesses, martyrs and that role has always been open to women.

Priesthood is derived from the 12 Apostles, period. Plenty of others are witnesses, testes, martyrs, disciples. Even the word “apostle” is sometimes used more widely in the NT.

But the Twelve chosen apostles were a distinct group. Only to them did Jesus give the authority to govern (bind and loose sins, accompanied by ordination in John’s Gospel—he breathed on them and conferred the Holy Spirit explicitly) and preach with apostolic authority.

An honest Protestant will recognize a distinct role for the 12, distinct from other disciples and witnesses. We are all witnesses, we are not all ordained priests. We are all baptismal priests. We are all ministers, witnesses, martyrs, testes, testifiers.

If you don’t accept Catholic and Orthodox teaching on the derivation of bishops and priests from the Twelve, fine. But then you don’t believe in priesthood. Fine.

Preaching with apostolic authority is not the same as giving a testimony or witnessing. Jesus authorized the Twelve to lead His Ecclesia. If you are a Protestant, you derive a general ministry from that. Fine.

But Catholics derive from that the specific episcopacy and priesthood.

At the time of the Reformation all the Protestant Reformers explicitly rejected the concept of priesthood as derived from the Twelve. (Anglicans retained it initially, rejected it in the 1550s, then tried to claim it back in later centuries; too late).

Those who rejected the idea of priesthood have nothing to say to what qualifies a person as a priest.

And should butt out.

30 posted on 04/28/2013 10:39:20 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

Priesthood is derived from the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass. Where the celebrant acts “in the persona of Christ” and that is why only unmarried males can be priests. The Eucharist is the center of all Catholic worship. It is the focal point of any Church. This is the great divide between Catholicism and every other brand of Christianity.

40 posted on 04/28/2013 11:42:44 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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