[BlueDragon]

...how that is not saying "works enable us to retain the grace necessary for salvation".

Other than the well-practiced effort to drag it off further into the bushes, with specious definitions of the imagined differences between "actual" and "sanctifying" grace --- which could hardly be obtained from the writings of Paul, though it can be well enough justifiably imagined they are imposed upon his words, nothing, for it was plainly enough stated, even if in otherwise overall duplicitous and misleading presentation.

[boatbums]

Thank you. It’s nice to know others empathize with the often frustrating task of discussing doctrines of the Christian faith with those who show no real understanding of grace or faith.