I didn’t say I accepted Ott as an expert. I only quoted that one paragraph to show the two terms you pushed to discuss. Since you continue to refuse to clarify your statements or be more precise as to how my interpretation of your jargon is wrong, I don’t see the point of going off on another tangent where you will have further opportunities to insult my knowledge and understanding. For someone who claims to take the moral high ground and scolds others for failing to demonstrate the fruits of the Spirit, you sure do have a strange way of showing yours. Does saying “peace be with you” absolve you of offensive words?