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What version of the fourteen first visions is he talking about?

Smith made at least four versions himself...one he dictated to FG Williams in 1832; two diaries -- one recorded via Warren Cowdery in 1835 & the other in Smith's own handwriting; then Smith wrote an 1841 letter to the Chicago Democrat describing it...then there's the "official" version as recorded in Lds "scriptures" -- found in the Pearl of Great Price.

By comparison, we also can see what the 2nd & 3rd Lds "prophets" (Brigham Young & John Taylor), along with another General Authority (George A. Smith), also said about what Smith told them.

So how old was Smith at the supposed time of the vision?

No age is given in the 1841 letter, but he said he was age 15 in his own handwritten diary. What he dictated to Williams in 1832 was that he was "14 or 16". The Pearl of Great Price says age 14, as does Smith's diary via Cowdery. Young, Taylor, and George Smith say Joseph was 15.

In the "official" Pearl of Great Price version, Smith asks a question to the personages. But NONE of the Smith versions he either wrote or dictated mention such a question.

How many personages appeared to Smith?
In the 'official' version, TWO. In the 1835 and 1841 versions, also TWO.
But in the 1832 version and his own handwritten diary, only ONE appears -- and a "Father" was not mentioned. Nor do Brigham Young, John Taylor, and George A. Smith reference a second personage...no mention of either the Father OR Jesus.

The Tanners make an excellent composite 19th century general authority picture of the First Vision by citing how many of them thought only an angel appeared to Joseph Smith...You see the "official" version didn't kick in til much later in the 19th century.

13 posted on 05/06/2013 11:26:14 AM PDT by Colofornian (Jude 3: "...I felt compelled to write and urge you to CONTEND for the faith that was once for all")
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Left to right: Mark Hofmann, 1st Counselor N. Eldon Tanner,
LDS President Spencer W. Kimball, 2nd Counselor Marion
G. Romney, Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Apostle Gordon B.
Hinckley

Smith made at least four versions himself ... then there's the "official" version as recorded in Lds "scriptures" ... we also can see what the 2nd & 3rd Lds "prophets" (Brigham Young & John Taylor), along with another General Authority (George A. Smith), also said about what Smith told them.

And there's the version found in the Salamander Letter where Joseph told Martin Harris that he was visited by an elf that took the form of a white salamander. Personally, based on Gerald Tanner's expert opinion, I never did believe that the letter was valid, even though it was pronounced true by the above LDS Authorities.

15 posted on 05/06/2013 11:41:11 AM PDT by Zakeet (If idiots could fly, Washington would be an airport)
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