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1 posted on 05/07/2013 8:52:00 AM PDT by Gamecock
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one of the top 20 Christian leaders in the US to watch

I guess no one was watching.

2 posted on 05/07/2013 8:52:47 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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How very sad. In warfare the enemy labors to inflict casualties, as he has in these cases.

I pray for their repentance and ultimate restoration.

5 posted on 05/07/2013 8:56:18 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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“”While we believe David Loveless can be restored to Christian fellowship and productive Christian service, we do not believe he can serve as a pastor at Discovery Church,” the statement said.”

At least they aren’t making excuses...


6 posted on 05/07/2013 8:56:25 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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Mega-Churches usually have Mega-Problems.


7 posted on 05/07/2013 8:58:21 AM PDT by TSgt (More Scott Roeders and fewer Tillers and Gosnells)
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To me, ALL “mega-church” pastors are suspect. They have political power that goes to their heads, not a lick of humility. They try to compensate with a gaudy, hundred million dollar structure, with a Starbucks installed, and think they are little kings over a kingdom.

Sorry, but small home churches is where it is, and will be in any coming spiritual awakening.


9 posted on 05/07/2013 8:58:53 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Right answer. If your life is out of control, step down.

You are welcome in the pews. You cannot be in leadership.


10 posted on 05/07/2013 8:59:37 AM PDT by marron
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It seems like in every generation, certain pastors or other religious figures build up Christian empires and then are revealed to be frauds in some way. I’m not damning all successful ministers but its a good reminder of the temptations that come to them with fame and financial success.


12 posted on 05/07/2013 9:01:08 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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I’ve never been impressed with mega-church “preachers” anyway. They tend to get heavily wrapped into a celebrity mentality. Give me a local fire-in-the-heart community church pastor anytime.


13 posted on 05/07/2013 9:02:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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If only they were allowed to marry.


24 posted on 05/07/2013 9:14:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Ultimately, you can be sure that a faulty personal theology existed long before these affairs took place. It’s a heart issue, not a conduct issue, really.


28 posted on 05/07/2013 9:22:33 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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So 3 couples are traveling down the highway when they are all killed in a traffic accident. As they stand in front of St Peter they all expect to get into heaven based on their faithful Church attendance.

As the 1st couple approaches Peter says “You can't come in. You loved money more than God; you even married a woman named Penny.”

The 2nd couple comes up and Peter says “You can't come in. You loved drinking more than God; you even married a woman named Brandy.”

As Peter looks at the last couple the husband says, “come on Fanny let's go, I'm pretty sure we're not getting in.”

36 posted on 05/07/2013 9:43:42 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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People who are in leadership in general are subject to pressures and temptations and stresses that simply go with the territory.

People in church leadership are no different. And as churches grow, the pressures and temptations grow maybe exponentially. They more than anyone need people in their personal lives to keep them grounded and accountable. That, and an active prayer life to keep them connected and to “keep the annointing”.

Preachers who go off the rails are almost a cliche. They are humans. But this is why churches need a strong eldership who are not toadies, and who are prepared to speak up and step in before lines have been crossed that must not be crossed.


46 posted on 05/07/2013 10:02:41 AM PDT by marron
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The first church, documented in Acts, had 3,000 male members. If you include the wives and children it may have been as large as 10-12,000 people.

So there is precedent for the Mega church.


51 posted on 05/07/2013 10:05:38 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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I’ll take my li’l ol’ out-in-the-country Lutheran church, thank you very much....


52 posted on 05/07/2013 10:06:47 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'd rather be a living "gun culture" member than a dead anti-gun candy-ass.)
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Most of the Mega churches are that big because of sound preaching and doctrine. They are generally very conservative and are quite good, otherwise they would be smaller. That is my experience anyway.

The large churches that make the news are in the news because they are not the conservative churches. But they seem to be a bit unusual in that regard.


54 posted on 05/07/2013 10:10:12 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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And this was after another Orlando area mega church pastor died of a cocaine/crack overdose a year ago or so

“My church is bigger than yours” syndrome is a problem in some areas


58 posted on 05/07/2013 10:22:21 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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I do not know this pastor or his ministry. All I would say is please earnestly pray for pastors and other godly Christian leaders who are faithfully proclaiming Christ and preaching the Word of God. In this ungodly, wicked age they are under tremendous spiritual attack. While it is easy to criticize those who have fallen into sin, the Lord Jesus said " whoever has looked upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her in his heart." Given God's criteria on the matter I dare say the overwhelming majority of men reading this have committed adultery in our hearts.

Pastors urgently need our prayer and spiritual support. They are men who face the same temptations we all do who are doing battle with Satan on a daily basis. Their Christ-centered proclamation of the Gospel of Christ and the Word of God pose a direct threat to the Devil, his kingdom and to those lost souls who are under his sway and control. Is it any wonder then that he is doing everything in his power to compromise and destroy the lives and ministries of those pastors and Christian leaders who are proclaiming Christ and rescuing those who are perishing.

Please pray for them and when it seems so easy to cast dispersions on their sinful failings remember the words of Jesus regarding one who rightly deserved death: "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

The above is in no way written to excuse the sin, but to serve as a plea for prayer because those who stand outside of formal ministry often have no clue as to the trials, tests and difficulties that torment those who have sacrificed all for the cause of Christ.

71 posted on 05/07/2013 11:01:22 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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A church is only perfect when no one is in it. Once you start putting people in there, things get messy. We are all sinners in need of a perfect God. I urge FReepers to quit piling on and pray instead.


72 posted on 05/07/2013 11:06:42 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Mind!)
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I know that a lot of sectarian bashing will commence with this thread, but I am as saddened by this as I am by the disclosure of another wayward priest. All clergy serve Christ and as St. Augustine said, the light of God can shine through broken or dirty glass (paraphrased). A theology professor of mine once said that if you do not believe that you are at the center of a spiritual battle at every moment of every day you are on the wrong side. Clergy are often the first targets and first casualties in that war.

Let's remember the good they have done and pray for their repentance and Salvation.

Peace be with you.

75 posted on 05/07/2013 11:32:51 AM PDT by Natural Law (Peace is not the absence of war, it is the completeness of communion with God.)
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Lead Pastor David Loveless, who has been married for 33-years and was recognized as "one of the top 20 Christian leaders in the US to watch," has resigned from the Discovery Church in Orlando after admitting to having an affair, reports the Orlando Sentinel.

Never heard of him.

83 posted on 05/07/2013 12:29:15 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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