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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
"If water baptism is necessary...

Show me in Scripture where you get the notion that everyone has exactly the same plan for Salvation and that all are equal?

Peace be with you

4 posted on 05/09/2013 4:21:36 PM PDT by Natural Law (Peace is not the absence of war, it is the completeness of communion with God.)
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To: Natural Law

“Show me in Scripture where you get the notion that everyone has exactly the same plan for Salvation and that all are equal?”


If there are a diversity of plans for exactly how salvation occurs, then it aids my position which denies that water baptism is required to receive the Holy Spirit. Since if water baptism really does give the Holy Spirit, then salvation is “the same” for everyone.

Of course, when I think of this question, I think in entirely different terms than you do. All those who receive the Holy Spirit, who are called, justified, and glorified, were predestinated by the sovereign will of God, and not according to any foreseen works, but rather that we should produce works:

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Rom 9:11, 16 (11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)... (16) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

2Ti_1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Therefore, it is impossible for me to see the filling of the Holy Spirit as anything but the sovereign movement of God on the undeserving sinner. And when I think “plan” of salvation, I think of predestination, which is God’s plan to save the elect in His own time.


5 posted on 05/09/2013 4:33:20 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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