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Study: 1 in 5 Pennsylvania Pastors 'Not In Sync' on Moral Issues
Christian Post ^ | 05/10/2013 | Jeff Schapiro

Posted on 05/10/2013 9:44:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Persevero
He did also leave us a church structure; we are to choose out for ourselves elders, also properly translated bishops, and they have authority and can exercise church discipline and so forth. But there is no allowance for a chief or head or ultimate bishop.

You may wish to reread Paul. He had several levels of clergy under his own authority.

41 posted on 05/14/2013 12:03:24 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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“He had several levels of clergy under his own authority. “

No he didn’t. He was an apostle, and strove with Peter over this and that, and they met as a group of elders to work things out, and they did so.

There are two ordained offices in the church: elders(or bishops if you prefer), and deacons.

No pope, head elder, or what have you.

It is interesting that you mention Paul as a super authority, since Peter according to RC doctrine is supposed to be the overall head, but I digress.


42 posted on 05/14/2013 10:38:48 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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“He had several levels of clergy under his own authority. “

No he didn’t. He was an apostle, and strove with Peter over this and that, and they met as a group of elders to work things out, and they did so.

That is working things out with equals. The fact is that Timothy was under Paul, and the local deacons were under Timothy. The hierarchy was established very explicitly.

43 posted on 05/14/2013 5:37:43 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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“That is working things out with equals. The fact is that Timothy was under Paul, and the local deacons were under Timothy. The hierarchy was established very explicitly. “

Chapter and verse?

Certainly Timothy was Paul’s son in the faith. That doesn’t make Paul pope.

Why do you keep promoting Paul as the head guy? The doctrine you are defending promotes Peter to that spot.

I also see no verse talking about deacons being under anyone particularly.


44 posted on 05/14/2013 9:31:45 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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