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To: daniel1212
One of the most stunning and irrefutable proofs that Col 2:16 must be the weekly Sabbath day, is the common "Year, Month, Week" pattern used in Col 2:16.

Nice try....but no cigar!

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath "days": 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body "is" of Christ.

I've highlighted two words in this passage which have been inserted by the translators to bring the Greek more in line with their settled theology. These words are shown in italics in your KJV.

But first.....ask yourself.....why does Paul make this statement....leaving it somewhat muddled as he does? Why didn't he clearly say one way or the other that these practices were now unnecessary? The Colossian Church was a Gentile Church so this would have been a terrific opportunity for Paul to make it very plain that these practices were no longer binding upon Yahweh's people. This Epistle could have been the defining moment for this new theology......the abolition of Sabbath observances and any and all recognition of dietary regulations!

But Paul......nowhere in this Book (or any other scripture) says that. What does he say instead? What question is he here addressing? Looking at the rest of the chapter it becomes very clear that the subject is something entirely different.

The issues are; [2:4] Men beguiling you with enticing words; [2:8] Men spoiling you with philosophy and deceit....after the traditions of the world and not after Christ; [2:18] False humility of mankind and "Angel" worship; [2:22] Commandments and doctrines of men. So....these are the hallmarks of [Colossians 2] and they all deal with issues from mankind....not Yahweh. Was Paul a Liar? Was he an idiot? You evidently think that Paul doesn't know that the Holy Days listed in scripture [Leviticus 23] were created by Yahweh. You probably think that Paul was uneducated and didn't know scripture from a hill of beans because you obviously believe that Paul thinks the "Word of Yahweh" is a rudiment of this world.

If you believe that Paul is saying that these Yahweh ordained, Yahweh commanded Holy Days are a "rudiment of this world, philosophy of men and vain human deceit", it is direct blasphemy against Yahweh....or a simple exercise in human deception.

What you need to understood here is that Paul is addressing "ascetic Gnosticism" which had begun to creep into the Colossian Church. He had been informed of it by Epaphras [Colossians 1:7] who had evangelized the Colossian Church and was currently visiting Paul in Rome while Paul was incarcerated. Paul had never been to Colossae but was well aware of the problems there.

The Colossian coverts to Christianity had previously been pagan idol worshipers and adherents of Greek asceticism and were now being criticized by their pagan neighbors for doing what?

[Colossians 2:16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

They were being ostracized by their pagan neighbors for doing exactly what you folks think Paul was telling them not to do. Think! They never did these things before so why would Paul even mention them? What this verse really teaches is....."Don't let these pagan gnostics JUDGE you for HOW you are keeping YAHWEH'S holy days". In other words.....it's an affirmation that these folks were actually observing Yahweh's ordained dietary restrictions and his ordained Sabbaths. They had been taught these things by Epaphras [4:12][Philemon 23].

By cautioning the Colossian Christian converts to not let others judge them how they observed these things is proof they were indeed observing them! Paul wasn't questioning them in whether or not they should be kept. The obvious implication is.....they were keeping them.....and....Paul did not tell them to stop!

Now.....about the added words of the translators. Let's read the verse as the Holy Spirit inspired it....without the added words of the KJV translators.

[Colossians 2:16-17] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths (plural) which are a shadow of things to come..... but the body of Christ.

Paul is saying, Don't let anybody criticize you for observing Yahweh's dietary laws and specially ordained Feast days (SABBATWN) except members of the Church! That's what the "Body of Christ" is......the church! The word "days" doesn't even appear in the Greek manuscript. It is simply referring to Yahweh's Holy Sabbaths (SABBATWN).

If Paul had been writing about the weekly Sabbath he would have used the word SABBATON (σάββατον).....not SABBATWN (σαββάτων). SABBATWN is a plural word meaning "Specially ordained Sabbaths" [Colossians 2:16] i.e. Passover, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles! The singular is SABBATW [John 7:23] and its adjective is SABBATOU [John 19:31].

Sabbaton is the Greek for a weekly Sabbath [Matthew 12:5]. Its plural is SABBATA [Acts 17:2] and its adjective is SABBISON [Matthew 12:1]

133 posted on 05/13/2013 8:33:44 AM PDT by Diego1618 ( Put "Ron" on the rock!)
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To: Diego1618
If you believe that Paul is saying that these Yahweh ordained, Yahweh commanded Holy Days are a "rudiment of this world, philosophy of men and vain human deceit", it is direct blasphemy against Yahweh....or a simple exercise in human deception.

What you need to understood here is that Paul is addressing "ascetic Gnosticism" which had begun to creep into the Colossian Church.

You are distorting the teaching. What is indicated is that there are two aspects of the Pauline censure, one of which is obviously the ceremonial law, which, while itself "the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good," (Romans 7:12) yet which in its entirety shows man he cannot keep literally it all, and thus Peter calls it "a yoke" "which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear," (Acts 15:10) and Paul states teaches regarding "meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17)

Gnostic beliefs were simply NOT a shadow of things to come, but laws regarding "meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation, (Hebrews 9:10) were. And thus Paul states regarding "meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days," that Christ blotted "out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." (Colossians 2:14)

And thus Paul also mentions circumcision, which was an everlasting statute (Gn. 17) that preceded the law, but which is abrogated under the new covenant.

"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ." (Colossians 2:11)

If you want to mandate keeping the 7th day sabbath in order to be saved you also need to require circumcision in order to be saved.

However, a brand of Gnostics used Jewish practices as part of their philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ, (Colossians 2:8) and which included false asceticism (Touch not; taste not; handle not) and obeisance to angels, which men were "intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind." (Colossians 2:18)

But by showing the Christians were free from the ceremonial law which were shadows, Paul disarmed the Gnostics and focused them on Christ, not the sabbath or dietary and temple shadows , but the body that made the shadow, from whom "all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God."

They were being ostracized by their pagan neighbors for doing exactly what you folks think Paul was telling them not to do. Think!

That is absurd. Paul is clearly referring to them being judged for not observing the ceremonial ordinances, of which the sabbaths were a part.

f Paul had been writing about the weekly Sabbath he would have used the word SABBATON

A false dilemma fallacy. See here or here .

Do you believe all those who do not keep the 7th day commandment, once told, or the dietary laws, or are Trinitarians, are lost? Just to know how much time i should spend trying to reason with you.

142 posted on 05/13/2013 10:38:21 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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