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To: daniel1212
If you want to mandate keeping the 7th day sabbath in order to be saved you also need to require circumcision in order to be saved.

I don't believe I've ever said such a stupid thing (but of course you're welcome to go back and check all my posts for the last decade or so).

You are distorting the teaching........

I'm distorting nothing. I'm just eliminating all the Catholic nonsense that's part of the baggage with this silliness you present.

" that Christ blotted "out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." (Colossians 2:14)

You need to educate yourself as to what this really means.........."handwriting of ordinances".

[Colossians 2:14]Blotting out the handwriting of "ordinances" that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The Greek: 14ἐξαλείψας upon OBLITERATION-ing (nom|voc) τὸ the (nom|acc) καθ’ down, according to (+acc), against (+gen) ἡμῶν us (gen)χειρόγραφον certificate of debt (nom|acc|voc) τοῖς the (dat) δόγμασιν dogmas (dat) , ὃ who/whom/which (nom|acc) ἦν he/she/it-was ὑπεναντίον adversarial ([Adj] acc, nom|acc|voc) ἡμῖν us (dat) • καὶ and/also αὐτὸ it/same (nom|acc) ἦρκεν he/she/it-has-TAKE UP-ed ἐκ out of (+gen) τοῦ the (gen) μέσου middle ([Adj] gen); be-you(sg)-BE-ing-HALF-DONE!, be-you(sg)-being-BE-ed-HALF-DONE! , προσηλώσας you(sg)-NAIL-ed, upon NAIL-ing (nom|voc) αὐτὸ it/same (nom|acc) τῷ the (dat) σταυρῷ cross (dat) •

Ordinances are from the Greek DOKEO (Dogma) Strong's 1378. The word is also used in [Ephesians 2:15] and variations in [Acts 16:4][Acts 17:7] and [Luke 2:1]. Let's take a look.

[Ephesians 2:15] 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances (DOGMA); for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Sounds about the same as [Colossians 2:14].

[Acts 16:4] 4And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees (DOGMA) "δόγματα" for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.

[Acts 17:7] 7Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees (DOGMA) "δογμάτων" of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.

[Luke 2:1] 1And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree (DOGMA) "δόγμα" from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

Do you notice it? DOGMA is man made decree....as was the Law of Moses...... and the Talmud with its Rabbinical decrees which superseded it.

The Ten Commandments are never called DOGMA because they are divinely given by Yahweh...............not man.

Again....the Church has taken a very simple biblical meaning and twisted it to widen the gap between themselves and their Hebrew origins. Shame on them!

146 posted on 05/13/2013 1:09:52 PM PDT by Diego1618 ( Put "Ron" on the rock!)
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To: Diego1618
Do you notice it? DOGMA is man made decree....as was the Law of Moses...... and the Talmud with its Rabbinical decrees which superseded it. The Ten Commandments are never called DOGMA because they are divinely given by Yahweh...............not man.

The "dogma" pertains to "the law of commandments" which set the Gentles at enmity as those who were "aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world;" (Eph. 2:12) and which enmity is what Christ abolished as one who fulfilled the law and made atonement for all, so as to save all believers by grace thru efficacious faith.

This included the abrogation of typological laws, of "meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation," (Hebrews 9:10) and likewise holydays, or the new moon, or the sabbaths, of which class the weekly sabbath fits into, and typifies the rest promised to believers by faith. (Heb. 4).

And thus neither Gentiles or food that was ceremonially (profane) or impure was to held as such when sanctified by Christ, for having slain the enmity of the law by the atonement, through him both both Jews and Gentles "have access by one Spirit unto the Father." (Eph. 2:18)

But you must keep the dietary laws as well as the sabbath, and to be consistent, you should mandate circumcision as well since it is a everlasting covenant which preceded the law of Moses. (Gn. 17:7-10)

Again....the Church has taken a very simple biblical meaning and twisted it to widen the gap between themselves and their Hebrew origins. Shame on them!

And so i ask again, where does that leave those who are born again but are persuaded the NT does not reiterate the 4th commandment unlike those others, or example the NT church specifically meeting thereon but classes to Sabbath in the context of typological laws. Lost or possibly saved.

157 posted on 05/13/2013 4:43:10 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Diego1618
If you want to mandate keeping the 7th day sabbath in order to be saved you also need to require circumcision in order to be saved. I don't believe I've ever said such a stupid thing (but of course you're welcome to go back and check all my posts for the last decade or so).

Checking your posts I never see you affirming the salvation of those who sanctify the 1st day instead, and or who understand the new covenant as abrogating dietary laws, and not answering my query concerning this directly, while regularly denigrating those whose disagree with you on this and other things.

161 posted on 05/13/2013 5:11:31 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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