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To: daniel1212
Again, in the light of what He does say on meetings on the 1st day, and the absence of specifically meeting on the 7th, and on what He does on the other 9 commandments, and the absence of any reiteration of the 4th commandment to the church, and of what is said regarding the typological nature of days, then i cannot subscribe to your dismissal.

Why don't you show us all your "First Day" meetings....from scripture....in the Greek? Then I'll show you all the meetings on the seventh day! Fair enough?

165 posted on 05/13/2013 5:32:26 PM PDT by Diego1618 ( Put "Ron" on the rock!)
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To: Diego1618

I want to get back to the ‘angels on a pinhead’ debate.

Who’s with me?


169 posted on 05/13/2013 5:58:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Diego1618
I don't denigrate anyone. I denigrate that "House of Satan"........the Vatican!

That restriction is incorrect, as can be abundantly substantiated, but we are to refrain from getting personal - as you have.

171 posted on 05/13/2013 6:13:36 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Diego1618; daniel1212

>> Why don’t you show us all your “First Day” meetings.... <<

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What daniel seems to be missing is that each of those “first day” meetings that are mentioned, are a part of one of the feasts, except for the collection of monetary offerings which cannot be done on a sabbath.


175 posted on 05/13/2013 7:33:51 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Diego1618
Why don't you show us all your "First Day" meetings....from scripture....in the Greek? Then I'll show you all the meetings on the seventh day! Fair enough?

"Fair?" Before you ask any questions you need to state clearly whether you hold that those who believe as i do, because of why i do, are likely or surely lost because of that. Is 7th day sabbath keeping and or the dietary laws necessary as part of believing in Christ for salvation?

As for your challenge, that is based upon your claim on how sabbaton and sabbatwn is used is correct versus others, and so "first day of the sabbath" cannot mean first day of the week, and per usual, you relegate disagreement with you to being due to impure motive and a conspiracy of sorts.

Sorry, but you already tried to force sabbath in Col. 2:16 to refer to other than the sabbath shadow it is, and to disallow dogma as the law of commandments from referring to the 4th commandment, and considering the cardinal importance you make keeping the 7th day besides feasts and dietary laws, i do not buy the idea that God would not reiterate the 4th commandment as did the other 9, while speaking of the sabbath in the context of shadow, as with laws on diet, etc.

As for getting into finer distinctions , i will let you argue that with those who extensively debate this and scholars, one of which states in part,

Further evidence that the weekly Sabbath is in view stems from the New Testament usage of the word sabba,twn. This word is used sixty times in the New Testament in both the singular and plural, always referring to the seventh-day Sabbath.1 While Adventists themselves admit that fifty-nine times it refers to the weekly Sabbath, they still insist based upon "context" that Colossians 2:16 remains the only use of the word for ceremonial sabbaths.2 Such alleged contextual evidence is lacking. It appears that the normal meaning for sabba,twn has been abandoned to maintain a moral/ceremonial dichotomy within the Law. Bruce adds, "When the sabbath is mentioned in the OT or the NT with no contextual qualification, the weekly sabbath in intended."3

Finally, the use of the plural also does not argue for the ceremonial Sabbaths in that it is simply a Hebraism.4 As such the plural is commonly used in Scripture with a singular sense in reference to the weekly Sabbath.1 The translators of the Septuagint also felt free to employ the exact plural form (sabba,twn) in their translation of the singular tB;V'h' in the Decalogue itself (Exod. 20:8; Deut. 5:12), as well as in many other passages where the singular weekly Sabbath is in view.2 (Richard J. Griffith, “The Eschatological Significance of he Sabbath,” ThD diss., Dallas Seminary, 1990, pp. 164-171)

As for me, it is far more important that a soul has the kind of heart of faith that God has salvific regard to, for The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. (Psalms 34:18)

Thus my question to you for which i still await your answer. If it is clearly in the affirmative, then you should be able to agree to disagree, and if not, then it affirms that you are of an elitist sect which your doctrine and manner seems to indicate.

176 posted on 05/13/2013 7:36:31 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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