Skip to comments.Bishop Loverde (Arlington): Can Catholic Parishes Continue Partnership With Boy Scouts?
Posted on 05/25/2013 4:42:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
Bishop Paul Loverde on the Boy Scouts of America 2013-05-24
(Arlington, Va.) The Most Reverend Paul S. Loverde, Bishop of Arlington, made the following statement today in response to the Boy Scouts of Americas vote at its executive meeting in Grapevine, Texas to change its membership requirements:
The clarity and courage of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) over many years in the face of considerable cultural, political and legal pressure to change its membership policy with regard to those who openly profess to live a homosexual lifestyle has been a testament to the virtues that scouting has successfully instilled in the young men who have benefited from its programs.
I deeply regret that the leadership of the Boy Scouts of America, after years of principled and steadfast resolve, has now wavered in their commitment to the values that the scouting movement has traditionally embraced and taught.
The Diocese of Arlington has been very pleased to host Boy Scout troops in the great majority of its parishes and to encourage our boys and young men to be a part of the scouting tradition. As Bishop, it has always been my firm hope that we might continue sponsorship of Boy Scout troops in a manner that is consistent with the Churchs teaching and mission.
Sadly, yesterdays decision forces us to prayerfully reconsider whether a continued partnership with the BSA will be possible.
Going forward and before the new BSA policy takes effect, I will consult with those who moderate the Churchs relationship with the scouting movement locally and at the national level, including the National Catholic Committee on Scouting (NCCS) and members of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB). Through this consultative process we will determine whether our parishes can continue their relationship with the Boy Scouts. Overarching all of this will be our firm commitment to preserving the integrity of the Churchs teaching on the authentic meaning of human sexuality.
As an organization founded on character and leadership, it is highly disappointing to see the Boy Scouts of America succumb to external pressures and political causes at the cost of its moral integrity. Additionally, it seems clear that the result of this policy change will likely not bring harmony, but rather continuing controversy, policy fights, and discord.
I ask that parishioners in the Diocese of Arlington continue to pray for the leadership of the Boy Scouts of America, and all Boy Scouts, and that each of us may grow in our understanding of the gift of human sexuality and remain a steadfast witness to the truths of our faith.
The stronger bishops are just going to have to chart their own course. I wish to God the Knights of Columbus would start a national Catholic youth organization similar to the Scouts. They're the only ones I can think of with the numbers, the resources, and the parish connections to do it.
Time to break with them.
My take on this would be that there is no such thing as a GAY pre-teen...
The issue has always been the scout leaders.
I’m pulling my boys out.
I may have to put up with some things at work but I’ll be damned if I’m putting up with it at home with my children.
I hope they guys at Onmyhonor.net can come up with something good. I really wanted my boys to learn all the other things the Boy Scouts had to offer.
IMO the Boy Scouts are done for.
It’s a damned shame, but they just voted themselves out of business.
My advice is put your scouting stuff on Craigs list fast, while you can still get rid of it.
Catholic mother here. My son is currently in second grade in public school and happens to be transferring to a good Catholic school in the fall. I had planned to have him join the Boy Scouts (Cub Scouts) next year, as well, but that won’t happen now. He’ll still go to Catholic school, but won’t join the Boy Scouts.
Contact your local KOC and have them nationally spread your idea.
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They’re inside the tent, now. The BSA is over.
I think the Bishop needs to be seen to be making a considered decision. But there’s not much doubt what that decision has to be.
It was already the policy of the Boy Scouts not to question whether a boy privately thought he might be gay, as long as he kept it to himself. A young boy would not normally be set in his ways, and might learn that he didn’t really want to be gay after all. After all, one of the things Scouting teaches boys is how to be a man. Or if a boy still felt inclined that way, as long as he shut up about it and didn’t show it to the other boys in his pack, OK.
Now, the policy is evidently that scout masters are supposed to tell all the boys in their care that “gay is good.” They’re supposed to encourage it. The other boys are commanded to “tolerate” it. Anything else would be considered “bullying.”
Well, one of the principle ends of scouting is to teach the boys to behave morally, and to teach them manly social behavior in part by interacting with each other. But now, their leaders are required to teach them that immoral behavior is good.
That simply cannot be reconciled with scouting as it has been up to now, or with Catholic teaching, or more broadly with Christian belief and practice, or with any kind of genuine, traditional moral behavior, courage, and manliness.
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What about a 15-17 year old in charge of younger kids? I think it would be reasonable to have concerns over a 15-17 year old in charge of whatever sex they are attracted to. I mean the boy scouts could start to allow girls, or the girl scouts boys—all it takes is a vote I guess.
There already is one: the Columbian Squires.
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Great minds think alike, I see.
Yep. Our council actually had an active Columbian Squires circle for a while, so I wanted to just make sure people know it exists.
It troubles me that His Grace sees a need of a "consultative process". I think it is clear that BSA has deliberately placed itself outside of the pale of the acceptable.
Now if Bishop Loverde would pull out of his diocese’ support of illegal aliens and the groups that support them.
So the BSA says they will deny admittance to homosexual boy scout leaders, but will accept homosexual boy scouts. Have we, as a society, gone so far that 11 and 12 year old boys are now coming out? I know that we read about an occasional case here and there in the news, but is this a regular occurrence? I wouldnt think so, but maybe it
But whats puzzling to me about Bishop Loverdes statement, is simply this: just what is his complaint? Does he fault the BSA for taking the same position that the Catholic Church has always taken on homosexuals? The Church, rightly so, does not condemn or reject the homosexual; they condemn the sin of homosexual behavior. The BSA has not said that theyre okay with homosexual behavior, but just that if a 10 year old boy concludes hes a homosexual (thats still way beyond belief for me) that he will be admitted to scouting. Quite frankly, even if a 10 year old boy (who generally isnt even interested in girls at that age) does believe he is a homosexual, I would think it would be an opportunity for scouting to open up his eyes (and perhaps those of his parents as well) that homosexual behavior is sinful and should not be practiced, regardless of ones feelings.
So here is Loverde, casting aspersions against scouting because they appear to be agreeable in embracing the sinner and not the sin, while Loverde (and most every other bishop and priest) wont even condemn homosexual behavior from the pulpit. Indeed, they wont even say the word homosexual. They dance all around it when they argue against same sex marriage, but they never tell us homosexual behavior is a mortal sin. No wonder the Church is in serious trouble. The bishops, quite clearly, have about as much courage as those Brits who stood by and watched those to muslims slaughter that British soldier on the streets of London. But unlike the weak-kneed Brits, God will demand an accounting from the bishops.
And you think the sodomites wouldn’t come after them next? Or any boys group dedicated to Biblical principles?
In my opinion it’s reasonable to be concerned that 15-17 year olds will be in charge of younger kids that they would be attracted to. Same thing if the girl scouts would allow boys to be in charge of younger girls.
And that's as it should be. It is not uncommon for some adolescent boys to suffer a certain amount of sexual uncertainness, particularly boys who are a bit late to mature. Scouting is (was) the place where boys learned a certain spoken or unspoken "manliness," without constantly having to take their emotional temperature about sex.
The problem with the "new" policy is that is that it allows the in-your-face, out-and-proud, look-at-meee-e-e- variety of LGBT identification and advocacy. And since that's still technically "orientation," a Scoutmaster can't curb boys talking, joking, acting and reacting on the basis of emotional neediness, horniness, or adolescent crushes, for fear of being called a hater and a bigot.
Sexualizing the Scouts is the LGBT goal. They quite candidly proclaim that this is the necessary Giant Step One.
“they wont even say the word homosexual. They dance all around it when they argue against same sex marriage, but they never tell us homosexual behavior is a mortal sin”.
You obviously have never heard my bishop or parish priest.
Both have condemned homosexuality in Homilies and spoke out against homo “marriage”.
Pope John II said any man with strong homosexual tendencies should not be allowed into the priesthood. Some lied and slipped in and if found out they are engaging in this filthy behavior should be kicked out of the priesthood.
They have one. It is called the Columbian Squires.
Since I have no idea as to whom you might be referring, what can I say? But I’d be interested in learning who these men are. I can tell you this, too; they are not Bishop Malooley of Wilmington, Loverde of Arlington, Archbishop Lori of Baltimore, or Cardinal Wuerl of Washington DC. I’m quite familiar with each and everyone of these prelates and I am confident that the word “homosexual” has never been uttered by their lips in recent yearsat least publicly.
Perhaps you have a link to one of the homilies or writings of these exceptional men that you could share with me and other Freepers. If you are fortunate enough to have such a bishop and a priest in the area where you attend mass, I would be more than simply thrilled to learn their names. They would, indeed, be two examples of a very rare specimen in the Church today.
Still trying to find a homily from my bishop for you, but here’s a good article where Cardinal Wuerl did a homily defending a Catholic priest for speaking the truth about
homosexual “marriage”. I wish more priest would speak openly from the pulpit about the evils of this garbage.
I can't see our diocese allowing them to use the church faciities. Just too much of a risk.
Good point. It’s been far too long ago since I was in scouting, and your comment is an excellent one. Mrs Don-o also takes some very valid and important exceptions to my post on this topic, as well. I’m afraid my thinking was simply too short-sighted. The homosexual agenda is, without question, immoral, and any concessions to this sin at any level, especially with respect to the young and vulnerable, is unacceptable.
Interesting point. I’ll tuck that away in my mind, that I should ask our parish Safe Environment director whether we should reconsider BSA ar rhe parish level if it requires the acceptance of open homosexuality.
You would probably run into trademark issues with both those names. Besides, given the reason for the break do you really want to sound that much like the organization you're leaving? I imagine that this decision by the Scouts will lead to a number of new youth organizations, none of which will use the word 'scout' in their name.
You don't think they'd fight? As the Scouts themselves proved, as a private organization they can set their own membership requirements. I don't see them caving.
I don’t have any faith in the State.
you know i bet they could even go to using the now mostly unused CYO “Christian Youth Organization” names. i don’t think most even exist anymore.