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-— And according to the RC model, the people should have followed the magisterium which sat in Moses seat, having historical descent and being the stewards of Divine revelation, and thus rejected the anointed holy man in the desert who reproved them, and the Itinerant Preacher from Galilee who did the same based on Scripture. ——

Before He established His Church, what did Jesus recommend?

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Jesus later established His Eternal Davidic Kingdom (Rev. 3:7), with Peter as It’s Prime Minister (Matt. 16:19), similar to the prime minister of the House of David in the Old Testament (Is. 22:22).

Matthew 16:19

I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Isaiah 22:22

I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

Revelation 3:7

“To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

The papacy couldn’t be any more biblical.


138 posted on 06/16/2013 2:22:58 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; boatbums; AEMILIUS PAULUS; metmom; HarleyD
Before He established His Church, what did Jesus recommend? Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

True to the basic Roman model in which the magisterium is the supreme authority, you invoke this as supporting submission to Rome, but rather than supporting Rome it refutes her, as submitting to the magisterium after the Roman model of authority would nuke church, as they rejected Christ and the church! What this verse reveals is that the magisterium is not infallible, nor the superior authority, nor is formal descent required for authenticity, as the Lord and His apostles established their claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)

Jesus later established His Eternal Davidic Kingdom (Rev. 3:7), with Peter as It’s Prime Minister (Matt. 16:19), similar to the prime minister of the House of David in the Old Testament (Is. 22:22).

Where is this verse infallibly or otherwise officially (whatever that means to you) defined as referring to Peter? Regardless, Some Roman Catholic apologists seek to invoke Isaiah 22:21-25 in support of a perpetuated Petrine papacy. The Targum, Jerome, Hitzig, and others assume that Eliakim is the peg, which, however glorious its beginning may have been, comes at last to the shameful end described in Isa. 22:25, and which position classic commentators Keil and Delitzsch contend is the case. And whether or not v. 25 refers to Eliakim or Shebna, it is evident is that being fastened in a sure place does not necessarily establish perpetuation.

In addition, nothing is provided by way of literal fulfillment of this prophecy in the Old Testament, nor in the New in support of Peter, and when perpetuation of any office is the case then the Scriptures makes that evident. And what is evident as concerns perpetuation is that to Christ it is promised that His kingdom will never cease, (Lk. 1:32,33), who shall be an everlasting father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, that being their holy Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah, out of which our Lord sprang and made a new covenant with. (Heb. 7:14; 8:8 ) And upon Him shall hang “all the glory of his father’s house”, for “in Jesus Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” (Col. 2:9) And who “hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.” (Rev. 3:7)

Thus this what best corresponds to the prophecy of Isaiah.

Revelation 3:7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

And consistent with what Scripture teaches, that is Christ, not Peter speaking and holding the keys and opening and closing. And while you seek to read Peter into Revelation, he is never mentioned, and instead the Lord deals directly with 7 churches, and in His commendations and condemnations any mention of their supposedly supreme head is conspicuously absent.

Moreover, while having primacy among the apostles and excising a general pastoral role, not even one church in any epistle is told to submit to or to look to Peter as the supreme head of Christendom, nor is there any mention of an expected successor for him (or James). Thus forgeries such as the Donation of Constantine and the PSEUDO -ISIDORIAN DECRETALS were used to supply Rome for the support Scripture fails to supply as desired.

The papacy couldn’t be any more biblical.

Rather, in the light of Scripture, the papacy couldn’t be biblical.

141 posted on 06/16/2013 6:03:51 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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