[patlin]

Bravo - taking things out of context and across covenants

Eph 2:12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Speaking to the “former” gentiles, Paul stands in opposition and says that it is you who are taking his words out of context. Do you even know what these covenants of promise are that we are now heirs to through Messiah? Paul doesn't say we are brought into something new, he states that we are now brought near to that which already existed.

And of course let us not forget, the “new” covenant is not really new, it is simply “renewed” as the actual covenant does not change, only the location from stone to hearts of flesh is made. This covenant also states that it is for the house of Judah and the house of Israel(the scattered sheep) and it is when the two are brought back together that the covenant will be fulfilled.

Religious talking points will be the demise of many just as political talking points become the eventual downfall of many because they know not that which they purport to speak of.

[trebb]

Speaking to the “former” gentiles, Paul stands in opposition and says that it is you who are taking his words out of context. Do you even know what these covenants of promise are that we are now heirs to through Messiah? Paul doesn't say we are brought into something new, he states that we are now brought near to that which already existed. And of course let us not forget, the “new” covenant is not really new, it is simply “renewed” as the actual covenant does not change, only the location from stone to hearts of flesh is made. This covenant also states that it is for the house of Judah and the house of Israel(the scattered sheep) and it is when the two are brought back together that the covenant will be fulfilled. Religious talking points will be the demise of many just as political talking points become the eventual downfall of many because they know not that which they purport to speak of. So, you're saying the Jews are still under the dictate that they circumcise (The topic that started this thread)? Then it is also a given that they can't eat certain meats - do you believe that too? Was Peter's "dream" merely a fantasy? Why did Christ die? Why did he speak the Great Commandment and followup with the next, then tell us that where there is love, there is no harm and that concept fulfilled the intent of the commandments?

Perhaps it is not I that don't understand the import of the New Covenant that even God said would be a New Covenant (read Jeremiah and then call me mistaken).

The New Covenant is in fact a game changer and taking a single phrase or two without keeping proper context is no argument that will change it.

BTW - if you put in Eph 2:11 first, it helps make my point:
11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

You must have known that the original topic was circumcision (else, why omit that single line in your post?) and those "Illuminati" that think it is still a requirement are sorely mistaken.