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Demons, Possession, Exorcism --- your opinions/recommendations on books and authors
6/16/13 | me

Posted on 06/16/2013 5:47:16 PM PDT by workerbee

I am currently reading The Day Satan Called by Bill Scott.... somewhat interesting, but at this point (about a quarter into it) not very well-written or even believable. I'm interested in your opinions or suggestions for non-fictional accounts of demonic possession, Satanism, and the like -- I'm considering Malachi Martin's Hostages of the Devil. I'd also be interested in your thoughts on these topics as they relate to ouija boards, Enneagram charts, or even yoga, as well as any personal experiences you may have with said topics. I'm especially concerned with a Roman Catholic or Orthodox point of view but any Christian viewpoint will be appreciated. Thank you!


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ecumenism; Theology
KEYWORDS: demons; exorcism; occult; possession
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1 posted on 06/16/2013 5:47:16 PM PDT by workerbee
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To: workerbee
"I'm considering Malachi Martin's Hostages of the Devil."

Martin's book is well worth reading, as is An Exorcist Tells His Story, by Gabriele Amorth.

2 posted on 06/16/2013 5:50:59 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: workerbee

Pigs in the Parlor. J.Penn Lewis’, War on the Saints. Anything by Neil Anderson.


3 posted on 06/16/2013 5:52:05 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: workerbee

Look bud, you can’t just go charging in to stuff like this, it is extremely dangerous.

If you do, you could open yourself up to a lot of trouble. Strengthen yourself and understand spiritual warfare. You are playing with fire


4 posted on 06/16/2013 5:52:13 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: workerbee

I second the opinion on Martin’s book, although it scared the crap out of me. But don’t dwell too much on this subject. It’s not wise.


5 posted on 06/16/2013 5:53:46 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: workerbee

An Exorcist Tells His Story, Fr. Gabriele Amorth

Tread carefully, make no invitations


6 posted on 06/16/2013 5:55:04 PM PDT by Clarence
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To: workerbee; yldstrk

What yldstrk said. Times 100.


7 posted on 06/16/2013 5:56:09 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: workerbee

Not a Sci-fi fan.


8 posted on 06/16/2013 5:58:42 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: yldstrk; workerbee

workerbee, I TOTALLY agree with yldstrk. This is NOT to be taken lightly....not saying you are, or mean to, but it’s dangerous stuff.


9 posted on 06/16/2013 5:59:20 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: yldstrk

I would say a passing interest in this stuff is well worth passing. If you are feeling called or lead to a deeper understanding then do so with a spiritual mentor/director.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 5:59:46 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: workerbee

In the 1300’s two monks wrote the manual on how to handle witches etc. If you suspect someone is a witch or is possessed, the methods used in this book have been tested by the catholic church.

Book is called

Malleus_Maleficarum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum


11 posted on 06/16/2013 6:00:28 PM PDT by Manta (Obama to issue executive order repealing laws of physics)
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To: yldstrk; workerbee
You are playing with fire
I agree with yldstrk. If you're at all familiar with the Fr. Thomas Euteneuer story, you'll know why you should steer clear from the topic of exorcism.
12 posted on 06/16/2013 6:00:52 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: workerbee

Words of wisdom: “Play with fire, you may get burned.”


13 posted on 06/16/2013 6:02:11 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: workerbee
I notice a couple of people recommending Malachi Martin "Hostage to the Devil," and somebody said it scared them.

I read the book, and it did not frighten me in the least, although this subject generally scares me. But I would recommend that you steer a wide path around the subject in general -- its just not something lay people should mess with in my opinion. Focus on whatever is good, whatever it light, whatever is pure, etc.

And do NOT touch a Ouija board. Don't even entertain the thought of messing with one. My dad had some very, very real and frightening experiences with a Ouija board. I promise you, it is not a toy, it is not a parlor game, it is a direct open portal to the deepest bowels of hell.

14 posted on 06/16/2013 6:02:52 PM PDT by Wyrd biū ful arśd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: mkmensinger

Agreed - “Hostage To The Devil” by Fr. Martin is an excellent book; also M. Scott Peck wrote “Glimpses of the Devil,” which is informative reading. Best to keep your mind focused on the good which God keeps you - always protect your mind from evil temptation and influences of the Devil!


15 posted on 06/16/2013 6:03:47 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: workerbee

~The Bible
~Monty Python

That should cover it.


16 posted on 06/16/2013 6:05:33 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: workerbee

“Hostage to the Devil” is very well written.

On the negative side, I found it very frightening, and could only read it during the day.

I still can’t decide whether my fear was caused by demonic power attached to the book, or by the stories themselves.

The book can serve the salutary purpose of warning us of the dangers of dabbling in the occult, but it could also arouse curiosity.

Check your own personality beforehand.


17 posted on 06/16/2013 6:06:46 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: workerbee

“but any Christian viewpoint will be appreciated. Thank”

Suggested reading:

Rev 18:23

Leviticus 19:31

Deuteronomy 18: 10,11,12

Acts 19:18,19,20 18

2 Corinthians 2:11


18 posted on 06/16/2013 6:09:01 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: evangmlw
Words of wisdom: “Play with fire, you may get burned.”

Well said...I don't believe in ghosts...but I don't mess around with Ouija boards just in case.
19 posted on 06/16/2013 6:09:47 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: workerbee

I don’t know of any books to recommend, but I can comment on ouija boards....quite simply, stay away from them.

First of all, Scripture forbids us from contacting the dead. Secondly, anything you make contact WITH while using one of those boards will not be of God, and you will be inviting it in.

Years ago, a friend of mine had a terrifying experience with one of those things.


20 posted on 06/16/2013 6:10:58 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

i just knew there had to be a python involved in this story somewhere


21 posted on 06/16/2013 6:12:27 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I still can’t decide whether my fear was caused by demonic power attached to the book, or by the stories themselves.

I understand being frightening or disturbed by reading about certain things, but do you believe that demonic power can actually be "caught" or "brought forth" by reading a book about the topic? I don't ask this in a sarcastic sense; I really want your opinion of the concept. Because if so, I can only wonder as to the purpose of the authors who write such books.

22 posted on 06/16/2013 6:12:38 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: workerbee
One little mistake and you may get much more than you can handle.
23 posted on 06/16/2013 6:12:49 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
"The book can serve the salutary purpose of warning us of the dangers of dabbling in the occult, but it could also arouse curiosity.

Check your own personality beforehand."

Wise advice.

24 posted on 06/16/2013 6:13:22 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: workerbee

There are many cool videos of chicks in leotards doing exorcism.


25 posted on 06/16/2013 6:13:41 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Manta

I do hope that’s a joke.


26 posted on 06/16/2013 6:14:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: workerbee

27 posted on 06/16/2013 6:15:04 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: humblegunner

go you chicken fat go


28 posted on 06/16/2013 6:15:16 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: workerbee

As others have said, tread lightly here. Some of the books I’ve read and found helpful are:

The Adversary by Mark Bubeck - Bubeck has a couple of books on the subject, I just can’t find all of them right now.

What Demons can do to Saints by Merrill F. Unger - I thought this book was very well done.

War on the Saints by Jessie Penn-Lewis - I remember this book being more from an intellectual rather than practical perspective but perhaps I’m wrong.

The Handbook for Spiritual Warfare by Ed Murphy - I don’t know if Ed Murphy is still around but he was a solid guy. I knew him from Los Gatos Christian Church in the 80s. This is my favorite book on the subject but I don’t know if that’s because I knew Ed Murphy or if the content was superior.

Victory Over the Darkness, The Bondage Breaker, Released from Bondage, all three by Neil Anderson. Some people don’t like Anderson but I found his books helpful in the early 90s.


29 posted on 06/16/2013 6:16:01 PM PDT by scripter
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To: workerbee
"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable -- if anything is excellent or praiseworthy -- think about such things...and the God of peace will be with you" Phil 4: 8,9

Remember to fill your mind with the good things of God. This will give you power to resist the devil.

If you are looking for the reading material for entertainment purposes turn from it. It leads to a place which is at least either a waste of your time or at most devoid of Christ, the Father and the Holy Spirit.

30 posted on 06/16/2013 6:16:44 PM PDT by what's up
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To: workerbee

Learning about something is never bad. Dwelling on it, especially this particular subject, is a bad idea. I know enough about it (having been rather unwise in my youth) to know I don’ want to know any more. I can’t think of any other subject I would say that about.


31 posted on 06/16/2013 6:17:25 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: Sherman Logan

The devil made me do it.


32 posted on 06/16/2013 6:19:41 PM PDT by Manta (Obama to issue executive order repealing laws of physics)
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To: Clarence

Tread carefully, make no invitations


The best advice possible.


33 posted on 06/16/2013 6:21:33 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Manta

Written by a Kramer. Enough said.


34 posted on 06/16/2013 6:21:53 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: workerbee

Hostage to the Devil is one of the best books I have ever read. It is thoroughly engrossing, and his prose are impeccable. I must have read it four times in all.

I would also recommend ‘The Demonologist: The Extraordinary career of Ed and Lorraine Warren.’


35 posted on 06/16/2013 6:22:38 PM PDT by Xenophon450 (Profit tells the entrepreneur that the consumers approve of his ventures; loss, that they disapprove)
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To: humblegunner

You’re sick. And that’s not even funny.


36 posted on 06/16/2013 6:22:58 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: CatherineofAragon; DJlaysitup
ouija

a couple of coworkers asked if i believed in ouija boards and i said oh yaw but you dont know if what you are talking to is what you think you are talking to so maybe you should not talk at all

37 posted on 06/16/2013 6:23:07 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: phillyfanatic

Yes, Neil Anderson and Leanne Payne.


38 posted on 06/16/2013 6:25:44 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: workerbee

I myself experienced major demonic activity (or at least my brain neurons were misfiring for a good couple of months) maybe something like 9 or 10 years ago.

It started off as minor little things that I barely even thought of. They would interest me when they happened, but I would always ascribe them to my imagination or maybe to noises from the neighbors, even when they increased in frequency and severity.

For example, I would be going to sleep and, suddenly, I would hear a shout in my left or right ear. Not a big deal, and there are natural explanations for it. Other times I would hear someone calling my name from downstairs, or from upstairs, so I would look and be totally alone. I assumed someone else in the neighborhood was named Ricardo, since it happened so frequently.

I was also getting “touched” a lot. I would be asleep in the morning and would wake up feeling the blanket being pulled off of me. I assumed that maybe I had knocked the blanket off myself and simply imagined it. Other times I would wake up feeling someone running their fingers through my hair, and I would stay silent with my eyes closed for awhile before opening my eyes to catch them. But, I would be alone, of course. Other times I would feel a hand stroking my leg, or resting on my stomach, and other things of that nature.

All of this “activity,” whether mental or demonic (who knows?), became worse and worse, but I honestly did not think of it at all. It would happen, but I always had an explanation for it, even as it began to happen every night, every morning, and every day.

Finally there was a climax. I found myself in a strange nightmare where I was laying on a stone slab, very hard. Around me was this greenish haze, and in the haze was a silhouette of a man dancing and singing around me. At his feet, which was clearly visible, was a large and dangerous looking snake that he was kicking, and grabbing, and tossing, and slapping, over and over again as they circled me. Eventually the snake broke free and came towards me, but towards my blind spot, and that was when I felt it plunge into my arm.

So I woke up with a fright, only to realize that the dream, or the demon, was still with me. Above me, a little to the right, I heard a loud and horrible combination of a growl and hiss. It is not something that can really be described, only heard for yourself. No movie monster or animal I’ve ever heard on TV could come anywhere close to it. On my left arm, on the point where I had been bitten in the dream, I felt a powerful and numbing grip. My entire arm was not itself numb, just the part where I was being squeezed (just incase you think I was having a heart attack, lol!). It gripped me and pinned me from that one point into the bed as if to keep me from moving, but I was so terrified that I wouldn’t have tried to escape anyway. I did not see anything, only heard and felt it.

I tried to tell myself that I was just dreaming, hoping that once my mind realized it wasn’t real, that the waking-nightmare would disappear. I started trying to speak to myself, “I must not fear,” but because of my terror I found it difficult to speak. It came out something like this: “I...I...I... m..mm..mu..mus..must... nnn... nnoot.... f..ffff.” As soon as I got to the word fear, however, something broke in me and I blurted out smoothly and powerfully ‘The Lord is my shield!”

As soon as I spoke those words, the grip released me and the noise ceased. And after that, I had no further problems for many years.

On one final occasion, years later, I felt someone hovering over me as I slept, which I assumed was my niece. My brother would let himself in back in those days with his kids, and since I was usually sleeping, the kids would come into my room and usually beat me up. And since I didn’t want to be bothered, my custom was to pretend to still be asleep, even as they were jumping on me and punching me. Since if I revealed I was actually not in a coma, I’d be roped into playing with them.

This time was different, though. I felt a warm breath on my face and their hand on my chest (a small hand), and I felt them come in closer and closer, until a warm wet tongue licked my cheek. I decided it was some new horrible tactic on their part, so I did not stir. When they came in for a second lick, I couldn’t take how ticklish it was any more (plus I felt it was a bit inappropriate) and flung my arms out, touching nothing. I opened my eyes and I was totally alone. After prayer, however, this also ceased, and nothing new has happened since then.


39 posted on 06/16/2013 6:25:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: yldstrk

For a better understanding of Satan then read all books written by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.


40 posted on 06/16/2013 6:25:52 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: workerbee

Interview With an Exorcist - Fr. Jose Antonio Fortea

Begone Satan, A Soul-Stirring Account of Diabolical Possession in Iowa - Rev. Carl Vogl

An Exorcist Tells His Story, and An Exorcist: More Stories - Fr. Gabriele Amorth

The Demonologist: The Extraordinary Career of Ed and Lorraine Warren - Gerald Brittle


41 posted on 06/16/2013 6:27:21 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Manta

The book in question was not official Catholic doctrine and indeed was denounced by a Church council and the Inquisition.

However, it was widely popular in secular courts of both Catholic and Protestant countries for over a century.


42 posted on 06/16/2013 6:29:07 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: TexGrill

For a better understanding of Satan then read all books written by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.


That’s for sure. Those two are some of his most treasured tools.


43 posted on 06/16/2013 6:29:35 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: bigheadfred

Yes....what’s that Scripture about the devil prowling around like a roaring lion to devour those he can? (Paraphrasing)


44 posted on 06/16/2013 6:31:58 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: workerbee

All the best stories on these topics have been made into entertaining movies. Save yourself trouble and rent the flicks.


45 posted on 06/16/2013 6:33:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: CatherineofAragon

1Pe 5:8-9 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: (9) Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.


46 posted on 06/16/2013 6:34:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: CatherineofAragon

1 Peter 5:8


47 posted on 06/16/2013 6:35:05 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: humblegunner
“There are many cool videos of chicks in leotards doing exorcism.”

You can tell the exorcism is successful because the victim no longer pimps their blog.

48 posted on 06/16/2013 6:36:21 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receilpt.)
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To: workerbee

“The Amazing Randy” is an excellent source on all supernatural phenomena.


49 posted on 06/16/2013 6:36:31 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: workerbee

Question, it is NOT necessary for you to answer ME, but an important question nonetheless.

How much time have you spend in God’s Word this week? Month?

Have you gone to Bible studies? Anything like that?


50 posted on 06/16/2013 6:36:34 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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