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To: trebb; All
I find it wrong or amiss when the symbol becomes as holy as what it symbolizes

OK....let's take The Lord's Supper/Communion/The Eucharist.

Some Christians regard bread/wafers as merely "symbolic"; others don't -- and not only Catholics.

Some of the key Protestant reformers discussed Christ's "real presence" as being the "Living Bread" who came down from heaven (see John 6).

Most Christians would regard these wafers -- and wine/grape juice -- as "holy"...whether they see these elements as "symbolic" or not. Would you castigate them as well?

68 posted on 06/21/2013 1:34:54 PM PDT by Colofornian (West went South)
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To: Colofornian
Most Christians would regard these wafers -- and wine/grape juice -- as "holy"...whether they see these elements as "symbolic" or not. Would you castigate them as well?

I'm not castigating anyone - just trying to have some conversations. My personal belief is that they are only bread and juice/wine, but the symbolism is the important thing - we we commanded to remember Him when we broke bread and drink so we would constantly have the gift of Grace on our minds and in our hearts (I really am a believer and a Christian).

I think that considering the wafer and the wine as holy demonstrates one of the problems with religion. While Jesus did say that if we had a mustard seed of faith, we could command a mountain into the sea (probably to demonstrate how little faith we are capable of despite His presence), some religions claim that their priests are empowered to be the constant conduit of miracles by having the bread and wine turn into the body and blood of Christ or even make water holy. I have a question - can all priests cause this transubstantiation? Even those who "stray from the straight and narrow"? How can one be sure the sacrament of Holy Communion is being faithfully delivered? Another faith thing, but not one that is spelled out in the Bible - faith needs to be in God, not men (even priests). Jesus told us that the bread and wine were His body and blood, and commanded us to remember Him with them as a symbol (probably OK to use grits and orange juice too as it is a remembrance). He did not tell us that we could actually affect a change over our food or that we should have our priests claim it occurred each and every time. He walked the Earth as wholly God and Wholly Man and was able to ask the Father to perform miracles ("It is the Father that doeth the works"), and even opened the channel for some of his disciples to do similar acts - but their faith was not enough to sustain the process just as a certain guy got out on the water then lost it.

I merely wish to provoke thought about what's important - all the canons and intricacies of any particular religion or just carrying the Word of Grace through a beautiful and loving sacrifice which kept God's main OT promise of the new Covenant. I seems that many take it personally and end up offended and either aggressive , defensive, or some combination thereof - not my intent.

75 posted on 06/22/2013 2:44:14 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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