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1 posted on 06/25/2013 7:12:18 AM PDT by marshmallow
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I thought a ‘saint’ had to be proven to have performed a miracle ... not be a popular person.


2 posted on 06/25/2013 7:16:21 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: marshmallow

Pius XII helped Jews to escape the Holocaust. The only complaints about him is that he wasn’t outspoken enough against the Nazi regime. If he had been, however, he would have had less influence and would not have saved as many Jews. I wonder why they don’t complain as much about George Soros, who actually helped the Nazis to round up Jews. According to them, he was just doing what anyone would do to survive, being a Jew himself.


3 posted on 06/25/2013 7:28:29 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: marshmallow

Pius certainly provided more assistance during the holocaust than Christians got from other folks during the Roman persecution.

Per sainthood though, keep in mind that Pius’ actions when Hitler was on the scene was not saintly, nor was it collaboration.

It was pragmatic.

He did what he could without going too far because he knew Catholics would likely be a target if he aggravated Hitler.

He took as primary role, protection of Catholics, sort of his job.


5 posted on 06/25/2013 7:40:03 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: marshmallow

It will be very interesting to see how the Pope responds to this. This is a Church matter. Deciding who is canonized as a saint is between God and the Church. No one should be telling the Pope who should or shouldn’t be a saint.


7 posted on 06/25/2013 7:43:49 AM PDT by piusv
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I thought a lot of archival info was going to be released or made available. I agree with the concerns that he should not be made a Saint with a capital S until people get a good look at all the evidence.


8 posted on 06/25/2013 7:46:31 AM PDT by married21
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Doesn’t the jews have enough to worry about ,rather than intrude on the Catholic Church.
They seem to have more to say than I, and I am a Catholic for seven Decadws


10 posted on 06/25/2013 7:51:12 AM PDT by chatham
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828 By canonizing some of the faithful, i.e., by solemnly proclaiming that they practiced heroic virtue and lived in fidelity to God's grace, the Church recognizes the power of the Spirit of holiness within her and sustains the hope of believers by proposing the saints to them as models and intercessors.303 "The saints have always been the source and origin of renewal in the most difficult moments in the Church's history."304 Indeed, "holiness is the hidden source and infallible measure of her apostolic activity and missionary zeal."305


14 posted on 06/25/2013 8:25:16 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: marshmallow

Perhaps the Catholic Church should reply to the Jews, “It’s not always about you”.


17 posted on 06/25/2013 8:42:00 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: marshmallow

Just curious, did any Jewish person in Germany or Italy save as many Jews during the Holocaust as did the Pope?

I’m guessing it’s possible in Italy, where Rome has had a large Jewish community for ages, and there would have been somewhat more freedom of action than under Hitler. In Germany I’m sure Jews didn’t have enough freedom to help their own.

However, I’m not aware of anyone in Germany or Italy who saved more.


19 posted on 06/25/2013 9:55:34 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: marshmallow

I would think that a person would either be a Saint or not, how could any one except God make them one?

I think religion is nuts.


24 posted on 06/25/2013 11:16:36 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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Due to our common roots, a Christian cannot be anti-Semitic," he told the delegation from IJCIC, an umbrella group that represents most major Jewish organizations and all streams of Jewish thought.

Well, your pope just reclassified all mid east Catholics to non Christian status...

32 posted on 06/25/2013 7:30:26 PM PDT by Iscool
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