Posted on 06/29/2013 9:38:31 AM PDT by Ripliancum
SALT LAKE CITY — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released the following statement today regarding the decisions announced by the United States Supreme Court on cases involving marriage:
"By ruling that supporters of Proposition 8 lacked standing to bring this case to court, the Supreme Court has highlighted troubling questions about how our democratic and judicial system operates. Many Californians will wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong when their government will not defend or protect a popular vote that reflects the views of a majority of their citizens.
"In addition, the effect of the ruling is to raise further complex jurisdictional issues that will need to be resolved.
"Regardless of the court decision, the Church remains irrevocably committed to strengthening traditional marriage between a man and a woman, which for thousands of years has proven to be the best environment for nurturing children. Notably, the court decision does not change the definition of marriage in nearly three-fourths of the states."
100% in agreement with you Rip. But when the BSA opens the doors to homosexual leadership (and that is almost inevitable) then Scouting will no longer be a place where help for those few can be found.
No doubt the gay rights agenda will try to do that very thing. I have it on good authority that one of the reasons the BSA held off from making a blanket change to that effect in March, and made the smaller change they did last month, was due to the LDS board opposition to that effect.
I also know there is a LDS program on the shelf that will replace scouting if that ever happens. I pray it never does, but the Church will not allow gay leaders now or in the future. It is in direct opposition to what the Church and Scouting teach.
Like em or don’t the Mormons have called out the court on its mamby pamby ruling that allowed it to do nothing and completely ignore the voters in the state
read on...
You are right. The final resolution was put off because of LDS lobbying. The compromise that was reached is part of that effort. But it may well have sealed the BSA’s ultimate fate, in spite of the fact that SCOTUS had supported the BSA’s earlier stance.
That the LDS has a Plan B is great. For them. For many in Scouting, there is no Plan B yet. And it breaks my heart to see such a venerable organization unnecessarily self-destruct.
Mormonism isn’t a denomination, it is a religion, and they will be working this to get back their polygamy that the Christians took from them.
Their Bishop gave us gay marriage and supported homosexualizing the military and Boy Scout leadership for years, which finally paid off.
Mormonism will do what it takes to advance Mormonism and to hurt the culture and the religion that stands in it’s way.
Reading your comments on MANY threads about the gay marriage ruling, where it appeared that you were trying to normalize polygamy made me wonder if you had a relationship to Mormonism.
I guess this is a Mormon thread.
"de·nom·i·na·tion 1. A large group of religious congregations united under a common faith.
"A religious denomination is a subgroup within a religion that operates under a common name, tradition, and identity."
“Indeed”
“So when we talk about gay marriage meaning the destruction of marriage, we kinda’ mean it.”
Especially so in the context of multiple gay marriages.
I am a Mormon Scout Master and a proud homophobe, and I don’t believe that the LDS Church endorsed homosexual scout membership, but basically decided not to leave the scout organization over it.
Truthfully, in the function of everyday LDS scout troops, I don’t expect any changes.
Most of the Scouts in the LDS troops are LDS, and the few who are non-LDS who attend are generally in agreement with LDS morals. If a scout member lds or non-lds is immoral they may be subject to a bishops interview and approval for continuation in the scouting program.
I think most of your knee-jerk reaction to the LDS church staying with the scouting program is your own religious or homosexual problems.
The LDS Church and its members will continue to implement an example of Christ’s teachings regardless of an imperfect world, culture or scouting organization.
The obvious democratic solution should apply. Support candidates for governor of California who *will* support referendums in the federal courts. Not just Prop 8, either.
For example, the California legislature hates and fears the referendum imposed term limits placed on them. But right now, were a single Democrat to challenge those term limits, it would go to federal court, and Jerry Brown would not defend them.
In effect, this means that by not granting standing to other than the governor of a state, referendum ceases to exist, as soon as a governor is in office that opposes it.
Other popular referendums that can be overturned this way?
Medical marijuana, tax limits, you name it. The people can vote for it, and the governor can overturn the votes of the people.
Curious diagnosis. I'm not sure exactly what is knee-jerk in my reaction. I acknowledged that, in principle, I support the position that sexual behavior has no place in Scouting and that I also supported the previous BSA de facto position that would not exclude some random 12-year-old who happened to think he might be gay.
So yes, I do think that Mormon influence facilitated that resolution. My reaction to the LDS position is that while almost no harm will come to Mormon troops, the same cannot be said for the rest of Scouting as the door is now opened and may not be easily closed to prevent the BSA from accepting homosexuals in position of leadership.
As for the question of my own religious or homosexual problems, I'll just assume that was an accidental attempt at an insult which I prefer not to address.
I don’t think your knee jerk reaction is in question, at least not by me. However, there are apparently many on this thread who blame the LDS Church for facilitating the change in scouting, whereas has been determined, is just the opposite. If not for the LDS Church and it’s substantial membership on the BSA board, the BSA would today embrace homosexual leaders.
Forgive the analogy, but I believe what happened is likened to what was to have been an amputation, but instead, surgically remedy the wound to become a slow bleed. I don’t believe society will allow it to heal, as it is what it is. But if the body becomes infected in the future, it must needs be allowed to die.
The irony here is that a few FReepers actually think the LDS church is embracing homosexuality, while in reality, it’s the Church that is keeping homosexual leaders out of scouting, while striving to save the youth that are lost.
Thanks for the respectful dialog.
So far the opposite is true. But when litigation comes to force gay leadership, I hope that the LDS draws the line, not just for their troops, but for all of Scouting. And that will mean fighting, not leaving.
a few FReepers actually think the LDS church is embracing homosexuality
Those would have to be FReepers who have never met a Mormon. ;-)
True but it makes the church liable for anything that happens within the troop.
I saw something on tv about the Girls Scouts, I believe in Iowa, was losing money. Has anyone heard this?
By virtue of the Chartered Agreement with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints the National Council Boy Scouts of America and the local council agrees:
Respect the aims and objectives of the organization and offer resources to help meet those aims and objectives.
Provide year-round training, service, and support to the organization and units.
Provide training and support for the chartered organization representative as the primary communication link.
Provide techniques and methods for selecting quality unit leaders and ensuring those selected meet BSA leadership standards.
Provide primary general liability insurance to cover the chartered organization and its board, officers, chartered organization representative, and employees against all personal liability judgments. This insurance includes attorney's fees and court costs as well as any judgment brought against the individual or organization. Unit leaders are covered in excess of any personal coverage they might have, or if there is no personal coverage, the BSA insurance immediately picks them up on a primary basis.
Provide camping facilities, service centers, and a full-time professional staff to assist the organization in every possible way.
It is through the Annual Charter Agreement and the Youth and Adult membership applications that these benefits are extended to the Chartered Organization and its’ officers. Completing the proper paperwork to ensure that all adult and youth members are properly registered as soon as they join or are called, even if simply switching form the Troop to the Team or Team to the Crew is essential for the protection of the individual as well as the Church.
Chapter 1, Section e, item 4, subsection c “District and Above”.
Also, this is from old data, from 2000, but back then the LDS sponsored 31,000 units - the largest number of religious sponsoring units. I think about half of all scout units are sponsored by religious organizations.
Yep. The Girl Scouts have bought the liberal agenda hook, line, and sinker with their National leadership almost serving as a front for Planned Parenthood. (http://girlscoutswhynot.com).
And the result? Believe it or not membership is dwindling and funding is drying up. So yes they are selling some properties. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/24/declining-membership-fiscal-woes-among-problems-facing-girl-scouts/
And for that reason, the Girl Scouts are not sponsored by LDS units.
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