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To: ArrogantBustard
I'm not sure how the Anabaptists propose to resolve that sort of dispute.

I'm not sure how the Catholics (or the Nicene majority, for that matter) resolve the dispute about Jesus praying to God in the Garden of Gethsemane or later on the cross. Is he praying to himself?

Then there is the account of his baptism, when he arose out of the water, God's voice spoke from the heavens and the Holy Spirit descended upon him in the form of a dove.

And, yet, I am not so arrogant to say that any sect in the Nicene majority is not Christian. Certainly not those (including the Catholics) who have steadfastly refused to embrace homosexuality as part of their doctrine.

FWIW, this is the big part of the 5% of my disagreement with the Foursquare Baptist denomination which I used to attend and why I eventually felt unwelcome there.

26 posted on 07/02/2013 9:11:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
resolve the dispute about Jesus praying to God in the Garden of Gethsemane or later on the cross. Is he praying to himself?

There is no dispute. Jesus (the Son) is speaking to, praying to, the Father. Similarly at His Baptism, all three Persons manifested themselves. Likewise, during the Transfiguration, the Father spoke directly to all concerned. We hold that the Godhead, or the Divine Nature, is held equally by three distinct Persons (the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit).

IMO, your terminology is flawed, leading to a flawed understanding of what was going on in the Jordan, on the mountain, and again in Gethsemane. IMO, correct terminology does not resolve the dispute, but shows that there is in fact no dispute at all.

28 posted on 07/02/2013 9:19:23 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Vigilanteman

“I’m not sure how the Catholics (or the Nicene majority, for that matter) resolve the dispute about Jesus praying to God in the Garden of Gethsemane or later on the cross. Is he praying to himself?”


Obviously you don’t understand the doctrine you disagree with. The scripture does not teach Modalism. It teaches there is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, three persons who are yet one God. They have different roles all throughout the scripture, yet are the same God. For example, the Father elects. The Son Redeems. The Holy Spirit applies.


38 posted on 07/02/2013 11:35:49 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Vigilanteman

“I’m not sure how the Catholics (or the Nicene majority, for that matter) resolve the dispute about Jesus praying to God in the Garden of Gethsemane or later on the cross. Is he praying to himself?”

I’ve witnessed this argument put forth by those in the mormon cult many, many times. They consider it convincing in some way. It is not.

I’ve come to understand this is a persuasive argument to mormons because it rests on the foundation of a misunderstanding of the nature of God. Mormon teaching perverts the image of God by making Him into a mere created being. It perverts the nature of God by making god into less than god. It multiplies gods instead of rightly dividing the Scriptures to understand the true image and nature of God. All of these theological errors lead to statements like the one quoted above.

In the end, Satan’s Fashion Show continues to bring back heresies from the past, time and time again. Mormonism has plenty. Jehovah’s Witnesses have plenty. They often overlap as to their favorite falsehoods. Both cults are American Made.

Bonus: Mormonism has 4 Earth Gods: Mormon God the Father, who was created and later became a mormonic god. Mormon Jesus, who started life as a created spirit-being (just like Satan), The mormon Holy Ghost, who was created, but did not get a body because he did something naughty and finally Mormon Heavenly Mother, who was a created spirit being, who got a body and is now eternally sealed to Mormon God the Father. They breed in the heavens. She is eternally pregnant and pops out spirit children to populate the earth.

There may be more than one Mormon Heavenly Mother... the mormonic verses and cult teach there is eternal polygamy.


46 posted on 07/06/2013 8:36:41 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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