Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
Lol! I wold be your sister....and you did not answer my question.
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I guess if they relayed it to the only mediator It could work but when I'm praying I prefer to go directly to the source. That's why I don't pray for live or dead Christians to pray for me. I don't know that dead people can hear prayer to relay them second hand to Jesus in the first place and I know non-present live people can't. But hey, whatever works for you. I merely said that Jesus is the only mediator.
Wonderful resources! ;-)
Ok, so when did the NT canon appear with the same list of books we use today?
This shouldn’t be a difficult question for ‘sola scripturists’.
“Which was the first codex published with the NT Canon in the modern form?”
As has already been answered: The first collection of the New Testament would have been published by the Apostles, with copies being made and gathered by the church, as already previously argued, and as evidenced in their widescale availability seen with the early Christians in the latter 1st and early 2nd century. Unless there is a difference in the scripture between then and what is now “modern,” regardless of whether it appeared in a book, or in rolled up scrolls, then the “first... published” date is as already specified.
Catholics don’t pray to saints.
Ahhh so you are questioning whether the Bible is the Word of God because there isn’t a published date for the original documents. Of which there are multiple copies/sources of every word of the modern bible minus about 2 sentences.
Many of which reside in the Vatican.
So you’re saying then, “I don’t know”.
Thank you.
For your edification - the Vulgate published in 400 AD by Pope Damasus was the first canon with all the books.
I can pray to the Son of God who sits at the right hand of God and possesses all the powers of Heaven.
Why pray to a sinner who was only saved by the blood of Jesus?
How in the world could you ever know that?
Thanks! It was something else to save all my links and change computer systems, but my son helped me a lot.
“The first collection of the New Testament would have been published by the Apostles”
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“with copies being made and gathered by the church”
[[citation needed]]
“as evidenced in their widescale availability”
The earliest complete codexes that we possess are Codex Vaticanus and Codex Amitianus. Neither of which contain the modern NT canon.
So the only actual extant textual evidence shows this statement to be false.
You need to read up on Marcion. There wasn’t a ‘canon’ in the time of the Apostles.
pray to Jesus. praying to dead humans is not Christian.
Heaven is not a vast socialist bureaucracy
The Holy Scriptures alone are God-breathed and able to make a man of God complete.
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That’s an important teaching...so it must state that somewhere in the Bible but you, nor anyone else has shown me
1. where in the Bible it states that the Bible alone is the source of our teaching...
2. what the Bible states is the pillar of truth for us.
Gee....
That’s true — pinging annalex on this too.
Plus, you can get angry with a Saint in many quaint and colorful ways that would be totally inappropriate with the Big Guy, hai capito? You lose the car keys, this is God's Fault? Of course not, But you know that St. Anthony, where the Hell is he when he should be on the job? "Yo, Tony, wake up. Keys! Now!" Works-a for me.
Now as a certified(able)Anglo-Catholic, I do get a bit squeamish on the body parts ex voto thing, but who could not be moved by the Shrines of Chimayo, or St. Anne de Beaupré. OK, they look a little like really bad-fitting prosthetic factories, but whatever.
We don’t pray “to” the saints as you say. We only ask them to pray for us. Nothing wrong with that, is there.
We have two codexes published before this, Vaticanus and Sinaiticus that have lists that differ from each other and the modern canon.
We have extant codexes published after this that have the full canon. Again, this is what the Vulgate was - a codification of the modern biblical NT canon.
You can also read the discussion by the Church fathers, and read the discussion surrounding Marcion over the correct canon. While it is true that there was substantial agreement on the content - that bible you have in your hands today owes it’s format to the Vulgate published by the Catholic church in the late 4th and early 5th century.
And the New Testament was written and handed down to the church as they were being produced.
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So who made the decision as to what would be included in the Bible and when did this decision take place?
Apparently his bible lacks the word ‘sufficient’.
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