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To: armydoc

“No, His eternal purpose is His own glorification. One of the ways He accomplishes that is exercising His sovereignty in salvation. It is human (sinful) nature and human pride that rebels against the idea that we do not have ultimate control of our salvation.”

Your belief is Calvinistic and incorrect. Calvinism appeals to human pride in the belief that God picks and chooses who is saved, which is a lie. Unfortunately, this belief is pervasive in many “modern” churches due to John Calvin’s heretical beliefs which give excuses to those who do not witness for Christ.

God’s eternal purpose is much more than his own glorification. Read Revelation chapter 21 verse 6-8 “It is done”. God is proclaiming he now has his people that are faithful and have chosen him over the world.


52 posted on 07/23/2013 12:33:07 PM PDT by kingpins10
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To: kingpins10
Calvinism appeals to human pride in the belief that God picks and chooses who is saved, which is a lie.

Properly understood, how could Calvinism produce pride, since it acknowledges that the saved had nothing to do with their salvation? That God chose to save based only on His sovereign purposes? That the saved can claim no merit, no wisdom, no forsight? That God chose despite the profound sinfulness and rebellion of the saved? That produces humility, not pride.

There certainly is a basis for pride in Arminianism, however. If ultimately your salvation is your choice, then you can rightly be proud of your "correct choice". Congratulations for your spiritual wisdom in choosing God! I guess the guy next to you who rejected God just didn't have something that you did. Well done!

Unfortunately, this belief is pervasive in many “modern” churches due to John Calvin’s heretical beliefs which give excuses to those who do not witness for Christ.

History proves you wrong. Calvinists have been among the most zealous and effective missionaries. Calvinists know that while God decreed who will be saved, He also decreed that earthly means be used to apply this decree. Those means, of course, are witnessing, preaching, etc. We also acknowledge that we are not privy to God's decree of election- we don't know who is of the elect so we witness to everybody and let the Spirit work accordingly.
54 posted on 07/23/2013 1:30:15 PM PDT by armydoc
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