"Look, Nuns! Shoot Them!" The Carmelite Martyrs of Guadalajara, Spain (Ecumenical)

Dignare Me Laudare Te, Virgo Sacrata | 07/24/2013 | "Matthew"

[BlackElk]

The Spanish Civil War (Francisco Franco's war to liberate Spain) was certainly not a contest between Catholics and Protestants. Protestantism was not involved at all.

The "Republicans" whom Franco routed were communists and misguided anarchists and nihilists and all purpose criminals, thieves, rapists and murderers.

To accuse Protestants of perpetrating the evils of the Spanish Stalinist "Republican" government and its criminals would be a grave disservice and injustice to decent Reformed Christians of all faiths anywhere and everywhere.

Neither the communists nor the misguided anarchists of the Spanish "Republicans" believed in God at all much less in Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures as all Protestants worthy of the name would do.

If every government leader in the 20th century had possessed the wisdom and resolve of Francisco Franco, we would be living in a far more ideal and humane world today.

[BlackElk]

At least Hemingway engaged in the sincerest form of self-criticism, put a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger, removing himself from the active conversation.

God bless you and yours!

[Tax-chick]

What you said!

[Mrs. Don-o]

Not sure what Protestant issues you're talking about here. There were vanishingly few Protestants in Spain in the 1930's, and as far as I know this nearly-invisible minority did not operate as a bloc with any of the political parties or any of the armed columns; neither did they align with the Communists and Anarchists, who were quite ferociously, homicidally anti-God.

So, since they weren't even there, how would Protestants factor into it ...?

Similar issue: just last year, Roger Ebert panned "For Greater Glory" (a movie about the Mexican Cristero War) on the grounds that it centered too much on the Catholic experience. (Might that have been because the Cristeros were about 99.5% Catholic, I wonder?)

Ebert said the movie should have included all religions under the banner of religious liberty. Scratching my head: did they need to shoehorn in Moonie, Methodist and Muslim cameo characters? Maybe a Unitarian-Baha'i-Lutheran love triangle, set in the exotic bullet-pocked streets of Jalisco?

Ay, Caramba.

[editor-surveyor]

I’m sure that Ebert would have preferred that there had been a few Rabbis mixed in :o)

[Mrs. Don-o]

Oh, yes. Particularly agnostic rabbis. Ones that are enlightened, progressive, and tolerate the hypothesis of one God, at most.

[Tax-chick]

Are you sure, Mrs. Don-o? I’m almost positive I read of several incidents in which the Nationalist troops identified Baptist girls in the street - by their long hair, denim skirts, and VBS t-shirts - and cried, “Look, Protestants! Shoot them!”

[NYer]

Ping!

[Rashputin]

ROTFLMAO.

Or, "look, nearly naked teenage girls with tramp stamps, Emerging Church girls, shoot em"

[Tax-chick]

Wouldn’t they be more likely to offer them booze and drugs and, “Come along, have a good time!”

Not in front of General Franco, of course ...

[Mrs. Don-o]

Mennonites with Our Lady of Guadalupe decals on their buggies.

I'm pretty sure.

[Tax-chick]

From Mexico ... because Mexico and Spain are like, the same, right?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

There was plenty of brutality to go around in that war. Something like 75% of the deaths on both sides were executions, “The Red Terror” and “The White Terror.”

[Mrs. Don-o]

They're right next to each other, and they're all Hispanic. Spain is where the white-Hispanics come from, Mexico is where the brown Hispanics come from, Romania is where the Romania Catholic Hispanics come from (their propensity to gyp people makes them "gypsies") and Peru is where the black Hispanics come from. This is why MSNBC says Zimmerman has a "checkered" past.

And don't get me started on the Joooos! Catholics are the worst kind of Joooos!

[Tax-chick]

The original Undead Thread was about the Juws. I had only 7 children then.

The black Hispanics I know are from Panama and the Dominican Republic, which shares that little island with Spain.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Ah, but that’s Haiti speech.

[ravenwolf]

So, since they weren’t even there, how would Protestants factor into it ...?

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I was not born until 1936 so i don,t know anything about it, that is just what i was reading.

I don,t believe every thing i read and that goes both directions.

You can read about the pros and cons on any side and then take your choice.

[Mrs. Don-o]

It seems odd that you’ve been reading about Catholic vs Protestant conflict in the context of the Spanish Civil War. If you’d care to give the name of the book or article (especially if it’s on the Internet) I’d like to check out your source.

Thank you for any leads.

[ravenwolf]

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100816021537AAKBlfv

A comment on the above site called best answer.

Also i have read other so called historical sites which stated that The Church hierarchy was a lot of cause for the division in the first place.

It is well known that Hitler supported the nationalists which was headed by Franco with arms and troops, although there were Catholics on both sides, i get the idea that the majority were on the side of the nationalists.

The republicans at that time were called leftists and were supported by the communists.

Like i stated we can find any side that makes us feel comfortable but things such as this is why i will not tack a name onto my self such as republican, democrat or most anything else including any Church denomination, because it means nothing.