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To: massgopguy

Really? Okay, cite me paragraph and verse of either or both Old and New Testaments (Imprimatur or protestant or Hebrew canonical) prophecy or direct statement that supports this position.

chirp chirp chirp....

“Hail Mary,(Hello, Mary) “Full of grace” (grace- a free gift), “Blessed among women” (Blessed-favored, by one bestowing a benefit on a beneficiary) certainly does not mean w/o sin, natural or purposeful in any sense of the meaning of the greek words.

In fact, there is no Biblical support for such a statement.

If Mary indeed was sinless, then she is not in need of a Savior, she is like God. Jesus the Christ, Immanuel, the Only Begotten Son of God, in fact, would be extraneous to the lost condition of man if there was another way...

This woman, was chosen by God, was over shadowed (as in made to conceive) by the Holy Spirit and was the Husband of one Joseph, mother of several natural sons, so says the New Testament, any version, even your Duay edition.

If “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and “there is none righteous, no not one” is true, then Mary is not was not and could never be “w/o sin, original or purposeful. For Mary to be born w/o sin, so would her parents, so says the Bible.

Jesus, on the other hand, was given the flesh of mankind, through the genetic material of Mary’s ovum (so He could be legally called “son of David), but was and always was the Word of God, made Flesh (In the beginning was the Word, and the was with God and the Word was God, created all things and the Word was made flesh.... (John 1 paraphrase)

“I and my Father are one, no man comes to the Father but by me” applied to Mary too.

Ask God to send His Holy Spirit to guide you in your studies, take no opinion of man for granted, accept only the context and content of the Bible for your proof.

Accept what you find in the breathe of the One who wrote it.....

Best;


53 posted on 07/29/2013 8:49:10 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior
If Mary indeed was sinless, then she is not in need of a Savior, she is like God.

No... Mary is the New Eve.

This woman, was chosen by God, was over shadowed (as in made to conceive) by the Holy Spirit...

The "overshadowing" is the Shekinah Glory of God notably referenced in the way the Spirit came upon the Ark of the Covenant and the way God's presence manifested in the Temple. There is much to be learned in that understanding.

Ask God to send His Holy Spirit to guide you in your studies, take no opinion of man for granted, accept only the context and content of the Bible for your proof.

Accept what you find in the breathe of the One who wrote it.....

Ironic. The New Testament was written by the Apostles (the early Church) to reinforce (not replace) their personal testimony. What they brought with them was not a book, it was their own experiences. What they wrote after corrected what their listeners had misunderstood. It is the model of the Church throughout the ages and you yourself in pointing to the Bible are listening to the Church inspired by the Holy Spirit.

60 posted on 07/29/2013 9:10:38 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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