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To: daniel1212
I was responding to your statement that, "People desire to go to hell,"

That, in retrospect, was a poor choice of words on my part. People desire is to sin. Their will is bent towards sinning. They don't care if the consequence for their action is hell.

God has to give us a new heart to not be so inclined to sin.

111 posted on 08/03/2013 6:22:47 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
" They don't care if the consequence for their action is hell."

Rather...They don't care if believe the consequence for their action is hell.

"God has to give us a new heart to not be so inclined to sin."

Amen!

From our position,an impossible task,we don't even fully KNOW our own "deceitfull above all things and desperately wicked" heart.From my admittedly limited understanding it seems to me that God first 'nukes' the old heart ie: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and* that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:13)and then exhorts us to KNOW that,to believe it in our heart.Almost every prayer of Paul's in the NT is to that end.That we would be persuaded,that we would understand,compehend,grasp,take hold of that which God has freely given us!

I can't help thinking that if that KNOWING were to be twisted into a 'sin of presumtion' then that deceitfull heart is attempting to thwart the beginning of God's good work in us in order to remain in control! To remain for all intents and purposes 'lord' over us.Keeping us in bondage to the fear and doubt of death and hell to the point we constantly are looking at how bad we are instead of how GOOD He is.

112 posted on 08/03/2013 7:23:09 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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