Posted on 08/03/2013 3:02:27 PM PDT by ebb tide
.... Therefore, Francis is being naive when, he says, referring to the alleged presence of a lobby of gay priests within the Vatican ranks “that the problem isn’t having the orientation. The problem is making the lobby.” The fact is, that any group with a strong common identity is a natural lobby which effects an organization. ....Pope Francis’s remarks have implications for the church far beyond a pastoral approach to homosexual priests.
Forgot to check the box that the above is an excerpt. Click on the link to read the entire article.
Not on the copyright list. Doesn’t need to be excerpted.
**This in the case with celibacy. It stands as a sign of the Kingdom of God which is to come and where there will be no marriage. This witness, by priests of the Western Church, is deemed so valuable that men who cannot bear it are excluded from the ministry.
People make the mistake, however, of seeing celibacy only as a prohibition for physical intimacy. If this were so it would be no more than a biological act of will power akin to one’s attempt at dieting.**
Some people don’t put out the entire article. Sad.
Celibates are the new flagellates in the Catholic church. Whatever makes you feel holy and gives you joy. After all, we only get one life to live and all happiness occurs between the ears. Make of it what you will.
From the article:
“When Pope Francis said he wouldn’t judge gay priests he unwittingly undermined clerical celibacy.”
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I disagree....as even priests can misinterpret what took place.
A more accurate take is made by Rev. Mark A. Pilon, S.T.D.
“Nothing the pope said was new or different from what his predecessors have said on this issue. He distinguished clearly between orientation and homosexual acts, he spoke of confession and repentance, and he repeated the Church’s teaching that homosexuals not be marginalized because of their sexual orientation. None of this is revolutionary.
But the press picked up and focused on a single sentence, “Who am I to judge them?” Taken in the context of everything else the pope said in that interview or elsewhere many times, there is absolutely nothing new or surprising.
The press, however, in large part, especially in the United States, chose to interpret that statement not in the context of the pope’s broader comments but in the context of the “non-judgmentalism” and relativistic morality in our society.
In the contemporary world, not judging people translates as not judging their actions, and the press took this as an opening for the Church to reconsider its moral condemnation of homosexual relationships and activity. It doesn’t matter what the pope said before or after this statement; the press chose to portray him as opening the door to a new moral attitude.
This is the danger in off-the-cuff interviews today. What the press is interested in are simply sound bites and controversy. Complex issues like homosexuality and homosexuals in the priesthood cannot be discussed with the media “swine” in this manner without constantly having to correct their misinterpretations and reportorial sensationalism.
By and large the press is not interested in the Church or her true mission, but only in the scandals and controversies surrounding the hot issues of contemporary culture and how the Church fits into these issues.
No one who has followed this pope and understands his deep faith and the weight of Church teaching and tradition in his approach to any of these hot issues could really think that he is going to make any substantial changes.”
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“No one who has followed this pope and understands his deep faith and the weight of Church teaching and tradition in his approach to any of these hot issues could really think that he is going to make any substantial changes.””
The above is BS. Cardinal Bergoglio was known for his distaste of the TLM in his archdiocese. Now, as “Bishop of Rome”, he has wasted no time to personally suppress a religious order that had chosen to offer it.
Hold on to your hat!
The Pope is blurring the Truth—and it shouldn’t ever be done-—This pope and the popes since Vatican II have been tippy-toe (literally) about the Truth and Sin (for some reason, which I have figured out to a large extent-—reading Bella Dodd’s book and the Summa).
This is from Fr. Oko’s Report and he goes on to explain why people who have such an unnatural “orientation” -—CAN’T join the priesthood. They need to be kept OUT. You need to read the whole article but this is a part:
The Homoheresy article was commissioned by the Vatican —google it —
“....a perversion consisting in adult homosexual men being attracted not to children, but to pubescent and adolescent boys. It is a typical deviation related to homosexuality. Basic knowledge about that reality includes the fact that more than 80 percent of cases involving sexual abuse by clergymen reported in the U.S.A. were cases of ephebophilia.......”
“homosexuality is a wound on the personality which may impair many other functions. Such impairments include distorted relationships with other men, women and children; the habit of constantly pretending, hiding something important in their lives; the pattern of playing a game which prevents honest, deep, emotionally fair relationships with peers and tutors. It also hampers proper understanding and respect for the nature of femininity and marriage as the mystery of the love between a man and a woman. Besides, if a homosexual feel similar desires towards men as a man who is undisturbed in that regard feels towards women, these desires will be constantly aroused in him by the permanent, close presence of the objects of his desire. “
On and on....
Yolo! Man, it’s too bad the Pope doesn’t jive with it.
This is the man who specifically performed the Byzantine Liturgy? I think you need to do some research.
Just a constant attack on the church....no attacks on fags or killers or perverts....just the church and its principles.
I think we need some disclosure here. What church are you a part of?
What people heard was the word gay being used, and a possible distancing from Benedict’s 2005 rule on the seminary and homosexuals.
Has the English translation of the transcript come out yet?
Very valid observation...No different to have a heterosexual leaning priest to move in with a bunch of nuns; even using the same restroom facilities as the nuns...Torture the celibate priest with temptation...
It’s a misrepresentation of both what Benedict taught in 2005 and what Francis is teaching here.
Benedict taught in 2005 that the interdict was against those who did not repent. Same as what Francis teaches.
Maybe bears don’t crap in the woods anymore.
Actually, I refuse to buy into the distorted narratives the naysayers/press attempt to shove down our throats. They do not want to really know the truth about any of these issues connected to the Church and will do anything possible to frame what is said according to their own perspective/agenda.
Also, the issue you speak of (which was not the point of this thread) has also been reported in a way to cast a bad light and sow division.
The Church is being attacked from both within and without. Those within fall into two extremes: ultra liberal and ultra traditional (with the emphasis on “ultra”.
Humility and full truth cannot be found in either group.
The Pope is blurring the Truth—and it shouldn’t ever be done-—This pope and the popes since Vatican II have been tippy-toe (literally) about the Truth and Sin
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Please provide some substance to back this up.
Is it possible that you mean “chastity” when you write “celibacy”? People often confuse these two concepts.
This does create difficulties for same-sex-attracted men who are trying to achieve the inward peace of chaste singleness for the Lord. With men, they tend to develop crushes, uncomfortable stirred-up feelings. But they can't normally just go and hang out with women; nor are they necessarily suited for a starkly solitary (hermit-like) existence.
The SSA men I have known who are trying to walk in chastity, have had quite difficult struggles. Really, they need our prayers and our understanding support.
The Catholic chastity support group Courage has this as its aim; unfortunately, they remain a small fledgling group.
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