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To: D-fendr

“So, again, other than your amusement or some competitive game you’re playing, what is the point of you arguing with me about what a verse of Holy Scripture means?”


So what was wrong, exactly, with my previous reply? Just because you’re not happy with a response, doesn’t mean it’s a bad response. You’ve not explained what’s wrong with it. (Though, not explaining things seems to be your habit.) And, actually, there are many other responses I can give you, ranging from “Because I am commanded to,” to “because it robs you (speaking of the general “you,” and not you personally) of excuse on the great judgment day, since God reasoned with you, and proved that mankind can do nothing apart from His grace.”

Or as Augustine puts it,

“We most wholesomely confess that which we most rightly believe, that God, the Lord of all things, who created all things ‘very good,’ foreknew that evil would arise out of this good; and He also knew that it was more to the glory of His omnipotent goodness to bring good out of evil, than not to permit evil to be at all! And He so ordained the lives of angels and of men that He might first show in them what free-will could do, and then afterwards show what the free gift of His grace and the judgment of His justice could do.” (Augustine, qtd in Calvin’s Treatise on Eternal Predestination)

So which of these do you like the best, and will make you happy? If you say “none,” well, I can’t help you there. If you can’t see my “point of view” and what motivates me to respond to you, I can’t help you there, no matter how much you tell me you are answering from my “point of view.” In the end, it is between you and God. In the end it is between you and that verse in chapter 6 of the Gospel of John, and many more just like it. The forgiveness of sins is liberally offered, and you do not know the secret will of God. If you (speaking generally again) will not convert, you only have yourself to blame. If you feel yourself not drawn, well, then go and pray to be drawn. If you feel yourself lost, well then go and pray to be found. But if you find conversion, remember it was God who made you sensible to your lack, and who so arranged everything to bring you, His sheep from before the foundation of the world, into salvation.


49 posted on 08/05/2013 9:59:02 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
You’ve not explained what’s wrong with it.

What's wrong with it is there's no purpose to it in your theology. It doesn't matter. You and I can argue interpretation until the second coming and nothing we say or do can possibly affect another human being in any way that matters concerning what is most important in our religion.

You still haven't given a reason that conforms to your theology.

“Because I am commanded to,”

OK, why should I ?

“because it robs you (speaking of the general “you,” and not you personally) of excuse on the great judgment day, since God reasoned with you

What? Some excuse will matter? I'm either doomed or saved already, right? This is nonsensical.

So which of these do you like the best, and will make you happy?

One that has (from the Calvinist theology) any real significance or purpose, makes any difference, will change anything or any one, or matters in any way one way or the other - excepting facilitating your view of your mission from God or for your entertainment or amusement in some competitive dueling scriptures game.

Can you come up with one consistent with Calvinism?

51 posted on 08/05/2013 10:15:58 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I would be very remiss if I let this one go unanswered:

since God reasoned with you

You really are not saying you're God in this statement. I sure hope not.

52 posted on 08/05/2013 10:20:17 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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