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To: D-fendr

“What? Some excuse will matter? I’m either doomed or saved already, right? This is nonsensical.”


How, exactly, is it nonsensical? Can you tell me? Because, honestly, I’m not sure that you can tell me how it is nonsensical. I think that’s just a comforting word you use, and something you hoped to prove, but couldn’t. After all, I’m literally just telling you what the scripture says, that God “willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction” (Rom 9:22). And, through this divine justice on the vessels of wrath, He “make[s] known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.” So then, wouldn’t showing that you, when being reasoned with, and given every opportunity, still refused the Gospel, show to the elect the necessity for His divine grace in salvation?

As for “Why should I?” Umm, because it is a sin to disobey God, and we are ordained for the purpose of producing fruit? As Christ says, ‘ye have not chosen me, I have chosen you, and ordained you to bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should abide.” If God has saved me, why shouldn’t I produce fruit, if that is what God moves me to do? Can you tell me how it is nonsensical in my theology, to believe that I obey God, because God moves me to obey God, as part of the fruit He wanted me to produce?


53 posted on 08/05/2013 10:25:43 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

It is nonsensical to think it matters whether I have an excuse or not, or need an excuse or not, or a good excuse or bad excuse...

I’M ALREADY DOOMED ! OR SAVED!

Right?

What’s it matter if I have an excuse?

Your theology makes this whole discussion nonsensical, purposeless.


55 posted on 08/05/2013 10:43:41 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
If God has saved me, why shouldn’t I produce fruit

Because it isn't fruit. It's a meaningless imitation of fruit in a puppet world where your or anyone else's fruit makes no real difference to anyone. It's busy work that makes you feel good at best.

That's the conclusion of Calvinist theology. A god that you serve by doing something that doesn't matter.

If you end up with this as god, you have left Christ who preaches to us, exhorts us, loves us, calls us to love one another and help each other... because if we do, it really does matter.

57 posted on 08/05/2013 10:59:17 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
How, exactly, is it nonsensical?

Again, if one is already doomed, why would having an excuse or not having an excuse matter to them? It changes nothing.

It is nonsense to say there is some reason to have an excuse or not have an excuse when neither can change the result.

It makes no sense.

65 posted on 08/06/2013 9:57:12 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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