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The thread from which Summorum Pontificum hangs
Renew America ^ | August 8, 2013 | Louie Verrecchio

Posted on 08/08/2013 5:20:08 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: Claud
I get what you're saying, but the bishops--good, bad, indifferent--aren't really even in the picture anymore according to the law.

The "law" was just a written statement" Then-Cardinal Bergoglio didn't follow the motu proprio, and neither did any other bishop who didn't want to. And bishops can suppress it and do.

21 posted on 08/09/2013 11:45:09 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Claud

“Summorum Pontificum is the law of the land. The 1962 Missal was never abrogated. Period.”

Nope; it’s not the law of the land. Not anymore, with the new sheriff in town. Ask the Franciscans of the Immaculate.


22 posted on 08/09/2013 2:01:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: JCBreckenridge

“You oddly neglected to correctly distinguish between the consecration of the blessed sacrament.”

Now you’re grasping at straws. The Consecration was never mentioned in any of my posts.

P.S. “Blessed Sacrament” should be capitalized if you truly believe in transubstantiation. So I now have a good idea about you.


23 posted on 08/09/2013 2:07:27 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

“The Consecration was never mentioned in any of my posts.”

You used the phrase, ‘offered mass’. Your source stated that while Pope Francis performed the consecration, he allowed others to distribute the mass. This is the distinction you did not make.


24 posted on 08/09/2013 2:21:45 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: ebb tide

“So I now have a good idea about you.”

Oh. Perhaps you should share with the rest of us rather than merely insinuating that my Catholicism is less pure than yours.


25 posted on 08/09/2013 2:23:14 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

No thanks. I keep most of my ideas about other people to myself.


26 posted on 08/09/2013 2:25:27 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: JCBreckenridge

Once again, you’re grasping at straws. Any priest who offers a Mass must perform the Consecration. Don’t you know better? Otherwise It’s not a Mass!


27 posted on 08/09/2013 2:34:04 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; Cronos; Salvation

“No thanks. I keep most of my ideas about other people to myself.”

I am encouraging you to be forthright. This is your chance.

In any case, ask Cronos, ask Salvation. I have always defended the Blessed Sacrament. I believe in the Real Presence (which is the actual doctrine), you were questioning.


28 posted on 08/09/2013 3:44:51 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: ebb tide

“Any priest who offers a Mass must perform the Consecration. Don’t you know better? Otherwise It’s not a Mass!”

You claimed that ‘Pope Francis was refusing to offer mass’ earlier up. Are you now recanting what you said earlier?


29 posted on 08/09/2013 3:46:03 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

Quote me in full context. Otherwise, grow up and learn your religion.


30 posted on 08/09/2013 3:55:55 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I did. You explicitly said that Pope Francis, “does not offer mass”. I proved that this was false, from your own source.

Your own source explicitly states that Francis does the consecration but sometimes has others distribute.

Why did you never say this?


31 posted on 08/09/2013 3:59:03 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

Please identify which specific post I said what you are saying I said. Thanks in advance.

Otherwise, I’m not holding my breath for an apology from you.


32 posted on 08/09/2013 4:01:30 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: JCBreckenridge

What part of full context do you not understand? You paraphrased me.


33 posted on 08/09/2013 4:04:00 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Didn’t you just insinuate that I didn’t believe in the Real Presence?

Seems to me like I’m the one owed an apology. Anytime is good.


34 posted on 08/09/2013 4:05:08 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: ebb tide

“I’ve never seen an archbishop or Pope who is adverse to personally offering Holy Communion at his Masses”

This is what you’ve said.

I challenged this assessment. You cite a source demonstrating that while Francis does personally offer Holy Communion (in performing the consecration), that he sometimes chooses not to distribute it.

You used ‘offer’. I haven’t distorted anything that you’ve said, while you’ve impigned on the character of a fellow Catholic, as well as attacked Pope Francis.


35 posted on 08/09/2013 4:08:02 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: ebb tide

Post number 5. Along with the one where you agreed with the fellow saying that ‘he believed that Pope Francis wanted to replace the mass altogether’.

And you call yourself a Catholic? Wow. Sad. I’ve seen other Catholics like you, but rarely do they attack Francis so openly. Sounds to me like you need to go join SSPX.


37 posted on 08/09/2013 4:10:30 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: ebb tide

“Isn’t that nice! And he’s worried about photo ops? Gimme a break! He lives for them.”

Go join SSPX, Lefebevre.


38 posted on 08/09/2013 4:11:09 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

“Go join SSPX, Lefebevre.”

Whoever taught you how to spell must have also taught you your religion.


39 posted on 08/09/2013 7:01:07 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Hark, I hear a schismatic!


40 posted on 08/09/2013 7:03:15 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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